Eating Crow

rumplestiltskin · Post by **rumplestiltskin** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:34 am

http://www.ttb.gov/press/fy14/press-rel ... ch2014.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Guess that's all the proof I need. As I stated in my original post, if I was mistaken I would apologize. Bobtail, I apologize to you for calling bullshit. I guess in hindsight I could have gathered a little more info. Wasn't trying to piss you off. As I stated, I am a skeptic. Especially when the news is bad. I'm a glass half full type of person I guess.

Post by **thecroweater** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:45 am

Holy thread shitting batman sorry just came to this thread somewhat startled

bobtail · Post by **bobtail** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:06 am

Alls fine

Post by **Halfbaked** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:55 am

rumplestiltskin wrote:http://www.ttb.gov/press/fy14/press-rel ... ch2014.pdf

Guess that's all the proof I need. As I stated in my original post, if I was mistaken I would apologize. Bobtail, I apologize to you for calling bullshit. I guess in hindsight I could have gathered a little more info. Wasn't trying to piss you off. As I stated, I am a skeptic. Especially when the news is bad. I'm a glass half full type of person I guess.

So I gotta say way to man up!! Gotta respect a man that is not close minded and hard headed enough to say he was mistaken.

mickbear · Post by **mickbear** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:29 am

did the TTB say they actually got the information about the still from hillbilly stills ?

if thats the case thats just plain wrong. sell a man a product then turn him over to the law!!

Post by **Jimbo** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:30 am

Rumple

Bobtail, any more fallout from that ordeal? Are they leaving you alone?

Post by **Prairiepiss** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:43 am

mickbear wrote:did the TTB say they actually got the information about the still from hillbilly stills ?

if thats the case thats just plain wrong. sell a man a product then turn him over to the law!!

They have to by law.

Way to man up.

mickbear · Post by **mickbear** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:59 am

Prairiepiss wrote:
mickbear wrote:did the TTB say they actually got the information about the still from hillbilly stills ?

if thats the case thats just plain wrong. sell a man a product then turn him over to the law!!
They have to by law.

Way to man up.

they have to by law ? thanks for the info i didn't know that.

thats crazy. why would anybody want to buy one knowing your name will be turned over to the law?

Post by **Jimbo** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:08 am

mickbear wrote: thats crazy. why would anybody want to buy one knowing your name will be turned over to the law?

Yes sir. Stills, at least potstills, are simple to build. No reason to buy one aside from pure convenience. Roll up youre sleeves and cobble one together, LOTS of instruction here on HD to help out. Stills been around for 3000 years, if they were bangin em out BC, Im sure anyone can figure it out in this day and age. If youre a little crafty or ambitious you can make your own reflux still or plated column too.

Post by **Truckinbutch** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:09 am

I made an apology on another thread . I'll make it again here .

Post by **Halfbaked** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:18 am

+1 on PP. Yea its the law.

IrishEnigma · Post by **IrishEnigma** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:44 am

Can I get a summary of the article? It's not letting me open after I download. None of them actually. That's what I get for no internet and only a phone I guess

Post by **Jimbo** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:56 am

IrishEnigma wrote:Can I get a summary of the article? It's not letting me open after I download. None of them actually. That's what I get for no internet and only a phone I guess

Washington, DC — This week, Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB)
investigators conducted a joint operation with special agents from the Florida Division of
Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco targeting illegal possession of stills and illegal
production of distilled spirits.
The joint operation resulted in 8 arrests and seizure of 46 stills by Florida authorities.
The possession of unregistered stills and the production of distilled spirits without a
Federal permit and without payment of tax are Federal felony offenses which may result
in the seizure and forfeiture of land and other property associated with the illegal
activity.

bobtail · Post by **bobtail** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:52 am

Jimbo wrote: Rumple

Bobtail, any more fallout from that ordeal? Are they leaving you alone?

I havnt heard from them again, but know of another local from my circle of friends the got his still confiscated

mickbear wrote:did the TTB say they actually got the information about the still from hillbilly stills ?

if thats the case thats just plain wrong. sell a man a product then turn him over to the law!!

I have no hard feelings about HBS as far as this is concerned. He's just following the law on his end

DuckofDeath · Post by **DuckofDeath** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:19 am

I wonder what the 8 arrests where. If they confiscated 46 stills I would think they are just looking to make headlines.

Post by **Jimbo** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:22 am

Im guessing, other shit. weed bla bla. How many times do you see a bust and news reports says ...and marijuana was siezed. Or maybe they had many gallons boxed up geared for sale?

Woodpile · Post by **Woodpile** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:03 am

I gather we have no knowledge of any specific people charged. I would like to see how they plan to defend themselves.

Soggy Bottom Boy · Post by **Soggy Bottom Boy** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:20 pm

Truckinbutch wrote:I made an apology on another thread . I'll make it again here .

You can stop apologizing already!

DuckofDeath wrote:I wonder what the 8 arrests where. If they confiscated 46 stills I would think they are just looking to make headlines.

I would guess, since the TTB is involved, it has to do with them finding "over a certain amount/maybe any amount" of un-taxed liquor during the visit. ....and maybe finding it after the "perp" lied about having any hooch around to a Fed, perhaps tax evasion and interfering with an ongoing investigation, ...just guessing though.

....or selling, ....or discovering other illegal activities during their visit. But, I suppose we will find out for sure in due time.

IrishEnigma · Post by **IrishEnigma** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:40 pm

I'm guessing intent to sell? Not sure. If it was just hobby sized and they weren't cooperating/giving them a hard time then they probably just slapped their peepee.

Thanks jimbo for posting that!

goose eye · Post by **goose eye** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:27 pm

My guess of them 8 arrest that at least some had
Somethin to do with agein likker in them jugs
with burnt sticks.

So I'm Tole

woodshed · Post by **woodshed** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:38 pm

My understanding is that possession of any stored liquor can be viewed as intent to distribute. I'm guessing those that were not arrested either had no liquor or had it hidden damn well.

Soggy Bottom Boy · Post by **Soggy Bottom Boy** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:44 pm

rockchucker22 wrote:So I have to put my barrels in a hole?

Not just any hole. A very deep hole. ......maybe on someone else's property (just to be extra safe)!

Post by **Jimbo** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:45 pm

you mean theyre not already?

Posted same time as dapper dan

jholmz · Post by **jholmz** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:53 pm

i always store mine in a hole but then it works its way down and leaks out another one. gotta figure out how to stop that from happenin

IrishEnigma · Post by **IrishEnigma** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:56 pm

I have to figure out how to dig mine out of the frozen ground that's covered in ice and snow.

Soggy Bottom Boy · Post by **Soggy Bottom Boy** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:03 pm

woodshed wrote:My understanding is that possession of any stored liquor can be viewed as intent to distribute. .......

Yes, but there has to be some limit that would be a minimum amount for there to be a chance of prosecution on that, and not just be used as a charge to drop for an incentive to get the offender to go for a plea bargain on some other charges.

They find a 1/2 pint of hooch, you think they would even try for intent to distribute? Manufacturing, probably. .....Intent to distribute, I don't think so.
"Yes sir, Mr. ATF/TTB/ABC Agent (take your pick), I fully intended to distribute this here 1/2 pint on this very evening, .....I was gonna distribute it right to my liver!"

Soggy Bottom Boy · Post by **Soggy Bottom Boy** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:06 pm

jholmz wrote:i always store mine in a hole but then it works its way down and leaks out another one. gotta figure out how to stop that from happenin

There's always the opportunity of recycling. Maybe you could use it for dunder!

IrishEnigma · Post by **IrishEnigma** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:12 pm

Soggy Bottom Boy wrote:
woodshed wrote:My understanding is that possession of any stored liquor can be viewed as intent to distribute. .......
Yes, but there has to be some limit that would be a minimum amount for there to be a chance of prosecution on that, and not just be used as a charge to drop for an incentive to get the offender to go for a plea bargain on some other charges.

They find a 1/2 pint of hooch, you think they would even try for intent to distribute? Manufacturing, probably. .....Intent to distribute, I don't think so.
"Yes sir, Mr. ATF/TTB/ABC Agent (take your pick), I fully intended to distribute this here 1/2 pint on this very evening, .....I was gonna distribute it right to my liver!"

Makes me wonder, if you were to age your hooch in a jd bottle with the label on it, and say there's a wood chip in it. Are they going to say it's home distilled or can you say you're aging jd and get away with it? That's if they haven't find your still yet. Or maybe they have and they're trying to get you for intent to distribute.

jholmz · Post by **jholmz** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:22 pm

irish take a look at the counterfiet booze thread that should answer your question. if they have any indication its not the labled product they will test it, then your open to a whole new set of charges

IrishEnigma · Post by **IrishEnigma** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:25 pm

jholmz wrote:irish take a look at the counterfiet booze thread that should answer your question. if they have any indication its not the labled product they will test it, then your open to a whole new set of charges

Got ya. Thanks j. I did read a little out of that but I think my heads on over load. I'll read further onto it though!

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