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Has anyone here ever run a batch on the grain? I have some stainless steel screens. I was thinking about manufacturing a stainless steel stand and screen enclosure to hold some corn off the bottom of my boiler while I was running a batch. Thought it might give it some more of that corn flavor I like so well.
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I stripped my first AGs on grain, but had to be very careful not to burn them. I greased the bottom of the pot with a little butter, like when one makes a cake in the oven in heatproof dish. Anyway, cooking on grain I was careful not to go below 17-18% alc. that drips out, after it can burn easily. If you have a double boiler just go as down as you like.

These days I ferment on grain, press out the grains, strip the mash and distill the low wines. Way less nerve-wrecking to finisg stripping and same taste.
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No need for an inner bucket, just be sure that flames do not touch the bottom of your pot. Use a screen under the pot to dilute heat, not inside.
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Is your pot copper or SS ?
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My pot is a 15gal ss stock pot. If you don't get any more flavor out of it there is no reason for me to try it then. I been running sour mash UJ and I really like the smooth corn flavor. I was just wondering how and if you could get more flavor out of it.
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To get more flavour from uj you can try adding more grain.
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toetag wrote:My pot is a 15gal ss stock pot. If you don't get any more flavor out of it there is no reason for me to try it then. I been running sour mash UJ and I really like the smooth corn flavor. I was just wondering how and if you could get more flavor out of it.
SS doesn't conduct heat as well as copper.
In other words, a SS is pot is much likelier to burn the mash than copper.
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You want more corn flavor? Make a thumper. Put corn in it. Done!! You can technically distil/strip on the grains in a thumper if you have a big enough one, and set it up right. I plan to strip my s3 3-malt mash in my thumper and I might put some of the grains in there too.
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Brutal wrote:You want more corn flavor? Make a thumper. Put corn in it. Done!! You can technically distil/strip on the grains in a thumper if you have a big enough one, and set it up right. I plan to strip my s3 3-malt mash in my thumper and I might put some of the grains in there too.
I just ran 21 gallons of first gen UJ in my 15.5 boiler and 15.5 thumper today and was figuring the entire run how I was going to reconfigure to do steamer runs once I go to AG .
Brutal gave me the inspiration with his steam cooking device that I intend to copy .
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My last run, I ran corn and barley in the thumper and the flavor came across soooooo strong. I dont know if I love it or hate it, but it is distinct. I look forward to trying it after it has spent some time on oak.
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Truckinbutch wrote: I just ran 21 gallons of first gen UJ in my 15.5 boiler and 15.5 thumper today...

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FUCK YES!!

Steam will bring us into the future brother. No electronics can emulate what mother nature has given us.

Thinking of having two 15.5 kegs cut and welded together. Aproxx. 25 gallon capacity and comparatively cheap. Put in a nice drain, and cut a 4" hole in the top and add a couple 4" tri clamp fittings and a clamp, so you can still use the 2" for a short stripper still head. Probably another 4" and a block off plate down low on the boiler. Then just inject it with steam. The steam should keep the grains rolling in the mash. With that much vertical in the boiler I think it would work pretty good.
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i agree with you , Brutal , about the underutilization of steam power in modern life . The technology of steam power has been supressed for 3 generations or more by the energy companies . Now is our time to shine .
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TB, good to see you back in the game. And hey, after two years you finally weening yourself off of SF - that's huge. I think you can be given some of the credit, with your heavy thumper charge technique, for moving the members here closer to steam distillation. Doing on-the-grain distillation is the next logical step.
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If distilling on the grain doesn't give any more flavor. What's the reason fir doing it?
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toetag wrote:If distilling on the grain doesn't give any more flavor. What's the reason fir doing it?
Maybe I misread . I thought folks were saying that distilling on the grain gave more flavor . Steam distillation of AG would remove the chance of scorching during the run .
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S-Cackalacky wrote:TB, good to see you back in the game. And hey, after two years you finally weening yourself off of SF - that's huge. I think you can be given some of the credit, with your heavy thumper charge technique, for moving the members here closer to steam distillation. Doing on-the-grain distillation is the next logical step.
WEENING ? SHIT !, Sir . I'm 64 years old and am still not off the teat :moresarcasm: I do want to move into AG and a change to UJSSM is yielding positive results in another sugar head .
Told you on the getgo that I was gonna try to get good on one venue before I went to another instead of bouncing around each week with another direction .
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toetag wrote:If distilling on the grain doesn't give any more flavor. What's the reason fir doing it?
No one said that. I don't know where you got that. Distilling on the grain gives a very large amount of flavor. There are multiple reasons for doing it. I want to do it to extract all the alcohol from my all grain mashes without having to screw with straining before or after the ferment.
Steam injection rig http://tinyurl.com/kxmz8hy
All grain corn mash with steam injection and enzymes http://tinyurl.com/mp6zdt5
Inner tube condenser http://tinyurl.com/zkp3ps6
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Paulinka wrote:I stripped my first AGs on grain, but had to be very careful not to burn them. I greased the bottom of the pot with a little butter, like when one makes a cake in the oven in heatproof dish. Anyway, cooking on grain I was careful not to go below 17-18% alc. that drips out, after it can burn easily. If you have a double boiler just go as down as you like.

These days I ferment on grain, press out the grains, strip the mash and distill the low wines. Way less nerve-wrecking to finisg stripping and same taste.
Sorry, I read it again and seen what I miss. My bad. :oops:
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