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the_b
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Yeast trials

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I’ve been doing a couple yeast trials and wanted to see if anyone else is doing these or if anyone has feedback on the process I’m doing. The purpose is for a sensory analysis of how different yeasts affect distillates for a vodka and for an all grain whiskey, doing everything on-grain. I’ve sized the system and process so that I can do 3 runs; (1) a stripping run, (2) a 1.5 neutral run, and (3) a 1.5 whiskey run (similar to a Pure Whiskey run). The thing that really made me want to do this was to compare how a Kveik yeast fermenting at 30/32C would compare to bakers, saison, champagne and other specialized yeast at 26/28C.

A side note: I’m at ~ 7000 ft elevation so my temps and power % will probably be much different than anyone at lower elevations. On average water boils at 93.2 C (199.8 F).

Equipment
6 L LM packed reflux still with direct electric element and agitator.
30 L Robobrew (RIMS style mashtun that heats and recirculates wort)
100 ml collection beakers

Inputs (using a 4:1 L/kg ratio or 2:1 lbs/gallon)
4 kg of base malt barley
16 L water
Yeast of different types

Mash process
Heat water to strike temp of 68 C (154 F), add grain and recirculate water for 60 min at 65 C (149 F). Transfer everything for an on-grain fermentation to a 24 L (~6.5 gallon) bucket. Let cool to specific yeast pitch temp. Ferment for 5 days.

Distillation process.
Run 1 (day 6) Strip run: Transfer wash with a small amount of grain to still. Turn on agitator and do a fast stripping run at max power with no reflux. Collect till running distillate is 3-5% ABV (at parrot).

Run 2 (day 7) Neutral Run: add low wines from first run and top up with wash and small amount of grain to reach 6 L fill line. Turn on agitator and heat up at 100% (2 kw) until temp starts to rise at bottom of column. Turn power down to 60%. When temp begins to rise at top of column turn down to 40%. When distillate begins to flow collect 5-10 ml of foreshots then close needle valve for 100% reflux. Let stabilize for 30 min. Open needle valve to get 1 drop/sec flow, collect heads cut until top of column temp = boiling point ethanol (for me at 7000ft this is about 72.3 C [162 F]). Add heads to feints jar. Close needle valve Stabilize for 30 min. Collect 100 ml of 95% ABV neutral. After 100 ml are collected open needle valve 100% and collect remaining distillate until 3-5% abv at parrot.

Run 3 (day 8) Whiskey run: Add “feints” and low wines from Run 2 to boiler and top with wash and a small amount of grain to reach 6 L fill line. Turn on agitator and heat up at 100% (2 kw) until temp starts to rise at bottom of column. Turn power down to 60%. When temp begins to rise at top of column turn down to 40%. Run slow with 90% reflux or as needed. When distillate begins to flow collect foreshots until top of column reads 72 C (161.6 F) and discard. Close needle valve and stabilize for 15 min. Open needle valve to collect heads at 1 drop/sec using separate jars for any jumps in temp or beaker capacity until top of column reads 75 C (167 F). Collect hearts at 2 drops/sec until top of column reads 87 C (188.6). At 87.1 C begin tails collection in separate jars based on temp jumps or beaker capacity. Collect until top of column reads 90 C (194 F) and end run.

Post distillation process:
Neutral: Verify abv of 95% (190 proof), dilute to 40%, let sit for 5 weeks.
Whiskey: Add heads and tails by taste but in general do a very "narrow" whiskey. Verify ABV (usually 60-65% abv), add toasted oak spiral (remove after 2 weeks). Dilute to 44% abv and let sit for 3 additional weeks.

Specific trial notes and sensory analysis to follow...
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Yeast: Omega Yeast Hornindal Kveik

Yeast notes: “A wonderfully unique Norwegian farmstead “kveik,” Hornindal produces a tropical flavor and complex aroma that can present itself as stonefruit, pineapple, and dried fruit leather, which complement fruit-forward hops. Add even more dimension to “C” hops and increase ester intensity with a high fermentation temperature. Ferments well at 90° F/32° C or higher. Non-phenolic and no fusels, even at higher temps.” Flocculation = high, Attenuation 75-82%, Temp range 22-37C (72-98 F), alcohol tolerance 12-16%.

Pitch temp: 30 C (86 F)
Pitch amount: 1 Tablespoon (liquid)
Grain: 4 kg Proximity Base Malt (100%)
Water: 16 L

Fermentation Notes: Something happened with the first fermentation and it quickly began to smell like baby vomit with some tropical notes (butyric acid – precursor to ethyl butyrate). I somewhat expected this because of the expected tropical notes, but not to this extent… I went ahead and distilled it but eventually redid it for a better fermentation. Fermentation 2 was much better!

Neutral distillation notes: Neutral run was as expected. Initial sensory analysis is a very clean neutral with hints of floral and tropical notes. Maybe 2 dimensions of flavor with tropical up front then a very light (a whisper!) of grain flavor that disappears quickly

Whiskey run notes: Whiskey run went as expected but by the end of the whiskey run the house smells a lot like butyric acid (even with the 2nd ferment). Wife is threatening to ban this yeast… Initial sensory analysis is promising. 3 dimensions of flavor for sure. Fruity, tropical up front, strong barley flavor in the middle and a sweet nutty back of palate flavor that lasts and lasts…

Neutral Sensory Analysis: Will update after maturation period
Whiskey Sensory Analysis: Will update after maturation period.
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Interesting subject, I just did two ferments with Hornindal.

First of all, I bought the high temp enzyme duo from Enzymash and it took a couple triers to get it right but WOW! That stuff is going to be a game changer for me.

First attempt, I got 15 Brix from 75% corn and 25% malt. I thought this was good (way better than without enzymes) and because I wanted to experimkent I ran it off into a fermenter and added the Hornindal, the wort was 90F but I didn't keep it hot. This stuff took a day to get going, and is still cooking along at day four. Vigorous but not beastly, smells OK though. I use nutrient of course.

Second attempt, I simmered the corn with the Sebstar HTL for two hours, then added to the mashtun with more boiling water and let that sit. I added a gallon of cold water to get 150F after about 5hr and then adjusted pH and added both malt and Sebstar GL enzyme. When I checked the mash the next morning I was at 18Brix! I stirred with the lid open to cool it down to 100F and then added Hornindal. It stayed in the low 90's and fermented to sg 1.00 in under two days, while the first batch is still cooking along. I think I have my process now, a long mash and a warm ferment on the grain in the Coleman Extreme mashtun. The stuff has great corn aroma, I didn't grind the cracked corn because I wanted the stuff to run off without clogging the bazooka screen. First batch ran off just fine.

I'll be running this on my small Brewhaus pot still with thumper.
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Hornindal isn't supposed to be the best of the Kveik yeast strains, it was the only one my local bhomebrew supply had at the time. The Voss strain is supposed to be the better one.
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Voss is on the list to try. With my small ferments its tricky to keep the temp so high! I was able to get Hornindal and Omega's Hothead Kveik. Once I try the Hothead i'll try and get some Voss and Loki.

What is your pitch rate? Some interesting trials on Brulosophy about underpitching and fermentation temps. On the test they ran they didn't find any statistical significance on pitch rates but they did get significance on fermentation temps, although majority of testers preferred the lower temp fermentation.
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Got a batch of 100% corn sweet mash with Hornindal going at the moment. I have to say the whole building smells amazing, tons of tropical fruit, honey, sweet corn, all with candy like sweetness. Haven't tasted yet, but if it's anything close to the aroma it's going to be an awesome spirit
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First time I used Hornindal in a beer I got some orange esters and an interesting aroma profile, which made me think it might be good for bourbon. However, when I underpitch and run it at elevated temp it seems to be pretty neutral. That's ok too, it still gets done really fast which is another advantage. I ran the first batch as a stripping run then added the gallon to the second batch and did my spirit run through the thumper. The cuts smelled clean and sweet and the first several were over 70%ABV. I'm hoping to get maybe half gallon of good stuff that averages in the upper 60s.
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Got around to stripping my 100% corn today. I would say the spirit is very clean at this point, with a very small amount of heads.

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My corn liquor is smooth too, and the bourbon as well. Fairly low heads on both, tails does show up though. I'd love to figure out how to minimize tails, I don't care for those flavors/aromas.
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