mason jar lids

[jonnys_spirit]

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These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

[Deplorable]

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These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

3mm oak veneer?

[jonnys_spirit]

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These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

3mm oak veneer?

I’m not sure exactly what they are but they might end up as coasters at some point? Lol

Four of these in the photo are oak and four are cherry. If i was sold on mason jars for mid term storage - which i’m not - I might consider experimenting more with the concept? Sous vide bath perhaps?

Cheers,
-j

[higgins]

USPlastics PTFE cap liners:
$0.89 each for standard mason jars - $89 + shipping for 100 liners
$1.32 ea for wide mouth mason jars - $132 + shipping for 100

JG Finneran sells PTFE discs on Amazon
PTFE Discs for standard mason jars $59.84 for 100 standard shipped (with Amazon prime)

PTFE Discs for wide mouth mason jars $85.76 per 100 wide mouth shipped (with prime)

[LordL]

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These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

I have begged Ben to make something similar! Just the lids!

[Ifounditlikethat]

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These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

I have begged Ben to make something similar! Just the lids!

You could probably find material for cheeper, but this is the first board I found that didn’t make my tinfoil hat super itchy when it comes to micro plastic contamination. I’m not the one drinking it so y’all can use vainer board if you want, but it totally defeats the purpose of the thread topic. Looks like I’ll be putting the router to work this weekend.

https://craftcloset.com/products/oak-wh ... 6775959768

[Ifounditlikethat]

USPlastics PTFE cap liners:
$0.89 each for standard mason jars - $89 + shipping for 100 liners
$1.32 ea for wide mouth mason jars - $132 + shipping for 100

JG Finneran sells PTFE discs on Amazon
PTFE Discs for standard mason jars $59.84 for 100 standard shipped (with Amazon prime)

PTFE Discs for wide mouth mason jars $85.76 per 100 wide mouth shipped (with prime)

Not calling you in particular out Higgins, your post is just the easiest to quote in the moment.

Where is everyone getting the idea that Teflon of all things is the safe alternative. Sure, it doesn’t metabolize and it’s “non reactive”, but it doesn’t metabolize! It gets trapped in your cell tissue, that’s why you’ll never find published research about the brain biopsies they did on the animals they fed a 20% diet of Teflon for a year. Sure, the rats got kind of sick and didn’t die, but they can thrive living in an NYC sewer. The dogs did die, but that was like a month after the test ended and they were euthanized because their organs were shutting down.

It’s probably just my years in the petrochemical industry talking, but there is some strange ideology on this forum. 75 pages about the plastic used in a mason jar lid and thousands more pages in other plastic based threads. Still haven’t seen anybody talk about the plastic liner inside the tomato paste cans everybody adds to their wash. That’s a high acidity substance heated for a long duration in direct contact with the cheapest plastic legally allowed. The canning industry was also one of the last to move away from bpa. I’m happy to get super nerdy about petroleum based polymers and their habit of forming polar bonds with other stuff; especially ethanol, for anybody that wants the math.

I’ll simplify it by saying that you can get 99% pure during distillation and still have the nasty tuff from plastic in it because it went in at the mash stage. It’s easy to make 10% ethanol fuel because it mathematically wants to be at that ratio and the only east way to separate the petroleum and ethanol is to burn it. If you think the 10% ABV wash siting in a cheep plastic bucket fermenter didn’t pick up petroleum contamination because the FDA said it’s good grade I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. And if people were actually concerned about petroleum based polymers making them sick they’d stop using gelcap medications. I like seeing people concerned about how dangerous plastic can be, but that 3 day old lb of hamburger wrapped in plastic and sitting on styrofoam in your fridge has 50x the contamination compared to a 2 year old mason jar of shine.

[MooseMan]

I can't comment on the animal testing as I'm not familiar with the results, but I worked in the food contact packaging industry for over a decade and there was regular and very clearly defined migrating testing done on all plastics.

Polymer migration was tested in all common reactive solutions, oil, acidic, alcohol etc.

I personally saw the results and they were well below accepted levels, but there WAS migration of polymer into ethanol.

[Swedish Pride]

I'm pretty sure no one suggests to have 20% of your diet consist of Teflon.
If nothing else it does not seem palatable.

I do however get your point, we should not consume plastic, it's not brilliant for your health.

I can not recall the thread or indeed the Member, there was however someone who seem to have worked in a field not dissimilar to yourself that ran many a tests on Teflon to see how it reacted to alcohol.

He concluded that it was inert, however if you have additional data or are willing/able to undertake a series of experiments and present to the forum I'm sure that would be appreciated by all.
I'm fairly sure no one here wants to kill themselves or indeed get mad as a sever rat.


I've no experience in the lab field so wouldn't be able to undertake it myself but will cheer you on from the sidelines

[NormandieStill]

Where is everyone getting the idea that Teflon of all things is the safe alternative. Sure, it doesn’t metabolize and it’s “non reactive”, but it doesn’t metabolize! It gets trapped in your cell tissue, that’s why you’ll never find published research about the brain biopsies they did on the animals they fed a 20% diet of Teflon for a year. Sure, the rats got kind of sick and didn’t die, but they can thrive living in an NYC sewer. The dogs did die, but that was like a month after the test ended and they were euthanized because their organs were shutting down.

The point of Teflon is that it is inert. So as long as your not adding shavings to your shine, it's staying exactly where it was put, even when washed with 95% ethanol. The same is not true of silicone or EPDM which are the common gasket materials for canning.

I don't disagree with your comments about plastics at the mashing / fermentation stages although I'm not sure if the research has been done as to how well the polymers carry over during distillation. In any case the use of plastic bins (not even food safe in normal use) used for holding boiling water during a corn gelling stage leaves me queasy. I'm building my first wooden washback with a goal to mash and ferment in it for AGs. If it's a success it'll probably be used for sugar washes as well. And 2/3rds of this year's cider production will be in a wooden barrel.

All of which is off-topic. Personally I would rather my booze was sat in a glass jar with a wooden lid as per above than a PTFE wrapped rubber ring and one day I'll manage to get that far as well.

[Wildcats]

The rules are the rules. Not up for debate.

[LordL]

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These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

I have begged Ben to make something similar! Just the lids!

You could probably find material for cheeper, but this is the first board I found that didn’t make my tinfoil hat super itchy when it comes to micro plastic contamination. I’m not the one drinking it so y’all can use vainer board if you want, but it totally defeats the purpose of the thread topic. Looks like I’ll be putting the router to work this weekend.

https://craftcloset.com/products/oak-wh ... 6775959768

I more figured that it would be a great alternative to store, or age spirits in mason jars, instead of having to be one of the first speedbuyers at badmos site. For small batches, why not 8 small lids that fit these jars instead of trying to get hold of a badmo, witch demands some skill and determination...

[Ifounditlikethat]

The rules are the rules. Not up for debate.

Not arguing the rules, if anything I’m making an argument to expand them. Teflon IS non reactive and won’t get broken down inside organic systems (humans) it does however get trapped in things like brain, heart and liver tissue. That’s because the physical structure of the polymer bond at the atomic level allows microscopic particles to “break away.” This is going to be extremely difficult for me to explain to anybody that doesn’t understand things like covalent electrons, polar bonds and chemical polarity, but I’ll give it a shot. Because of the atomic structure of the polymer chain in the Teflon and the way atoms link together to form ethanol, the microscopic bits of Teflon that break away from you simply rubbing your fingers on it will be attracted to alcohol. The Teflon molecule stays in one peace but it’s very “attracted” to the alcohol. So it locks in with an ethanol chain and makes its way into your blood stream. Then the booze gets dissolved away. If it’s somewhere like your liver or brain when that happens it stays there, because the human body can’t break it down and get rid of it.

The PTFE version of Teflon only came into common use back in 2013 after a massive law suit was filed in 2006. Most of the information about Teflon came about during the 7 year long legal battle where companies like Dow and Exon tried convincing every one PFOA based Teflon wasn’t scary. Then they spent millions doing “research” to make the public feel safe using the PTFE version. They both have the same health concern when it comes to contact with alcohol. In the big picture my whole point is rendered pointless by the fact that companies use PTFE to keep things suspended in solution for injectable meds and vaccines still…… so I guess it doesn’t matter if you use a Teflon lid.

Best thing I did for my mental and emotional health was walking away from a $140/year job because it was leaving a black mark on my soul. I know from personal experience companies like DuPont, Monsanto, Bayer and all their little subsidiaries aren’t showing the public more than a very sugar coated tip of the ice burg. They know that 99.9% of the population doesn’t understand the math and the .1% that do understand it mostly all work for them because they pay the best. And it still makes me want to bang my head on a wall that the same people having an intelligent conversation about plastic alternatives will still use gelcap medications, drink out of solo cups and cook with aluminum foil.

[Ifounditlikethat]

F0508FCE-8786-4FE2-AFE0-E3E605485E3F.jpeg

These were ordered from Etsy. They might be interesting for some folks.

Cheers!
-j

I have begged Ben to make something similar! Just the lids!

You could probably find material for cheeper, but this is the first board I found that didn’t make my tinfoil hat super itchy when it comes to micro plastic contamination. I’m not the one drinking it so y’all can use vainer board if you want, but it totally defeats the purpose of the thread topic. Looks like I’ll be putting the router to work this weekend.

https://craftcloset.com/products/oak-wh ... 6775959768

I more figured that it would be a great alternative to store, or age spirits in mason jars, instead of having to be one of the first speedbuyers at badmos site. For small batches, why not 8 small lids that fit these jars instead of trying to get hold of a badmo, witch demands some skill and determination...

Those wood lids are an awesome idea, I’m going to make a stack of them. Just be careful about wood choice, anything sold as veneer is usually treated with allot of chemicals and glue right off the mill table because it’s so fragile while drying. It’s also not meant for food grade end usage. 1/8” 1/4 sawn white oak that’s pesticide and mold inhibitor chemical free is much harder to find. Cooperage veneer grade oak is its own special thing down to how the mill handles and ships it. I just sat through a whole thing about it Thursday because our county forestry and fisheries guy wanted someone to go with him and I’m that kind of nerd.

[ecir54]

did a quick search and found this, what yall think?

https://ocoochhardwoods.com/scroll-saw- ... nWhiteOak/

[TwoSheds]

did a quick search and found this, what yall think?

https://ocoochhardwoods.com/scroll-saw- ... nWhiteOak/

That seems like the right stuff. You'll want 1/8" if you want to use a standard mason jar ring, but that will breathe a lot so I use 1/4" and cut a lip down.

Also, be aware, oak for barrels is air dried and allowed to weather for years before being shaped for barrel staves. The weathering is said to reduce tannins. I have aged spirit with air dried wood with reasonable results but would say over oaking is a much higher risk.

When I use non-seasoned wood for mason jar lids I only age them upright so the lid allows some breathing but isn't in contact with the spirit. I add a chunk of used, reconditioned barrel stave for actual flavoring. It's worked well so far when I keep the size of the submerged oak small and remove it at a reasonable time.

Edit to add: mason jars have a low surface to volume ratio anyway, so I just go with the biggest size readily available which is half gallon. Even with materials for oak lid inserts it's less than $20 to age 3 gallons. Theyre perfect for experimenting with small batches and different woods, or to keep some spirit ready for topping the small barrels during aging.

[ecir54]

Time to bust the router out, went ahead a ordered 5 pieces of the 1/4" 4" x 24" pieces. Will post results when time comes. If my math is right I should get 25 pieces out of this for 1/2 gallon jars. Best part is had a paypal balance from selling some stuff so no out of pocket expense.

Thanks for chiming in twosheds should be easy enough to whip them out as you described.

[Swedish Pride]

Time to bust the router out, went ahead a ordered 5 pieces of the 1/4" 4" x 24" pieces. Will post results when time comes. If my math is right I should get 25 pieces out of this for 1/2 gallon jars. Best part is had a paypal balance from selling some stuff so no out of pocket expense.

Thanks for chiming in twosheds should be easy enough to whip them out as you described.

That sounds fun

I have loads of staves from a oak barrel I ripped apart, may do something similar.

[ecir54]

^^^ would have went that route if had a planer, one barrel would give you allot to play with

[Saltbush Bill]

I have loads of staves from a oak barrel I ripped apart, may do something similar.

Wouldn't the boards from the heads of the barrel be easier to use for that job Skett ?

[Swedish Pride]

That sounds far to logical.

Might see if I can locate one of the heads, last I remember seeing of if was when I was busting it open with a lump hammer

[jedneck]

I have loads of staves from a oak barrel I ripped apart, may do something similar.

Wouldn't the boards from the heads of the barrel be easier to use for that job Skett ?

Skett does nothing the eazy way

[Swedish Pride]

Went surprisingly well

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[ecir54]

^^^check that out, love the idea

[greggn]

Went surprisingly well

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Just out of curiosity, from what species of animal did you extract the tooth used to carve that lid ?

Something named "Sabertooth" or "Snaggletooth" seems likely.

[ecir54]

looks free hand with a router, hey no leaks, think he needs a circle jig

still love the idea, wonder how hard it is to remove the cap.

[Yummyrum]

Stop picking on Swedish , the glue he used seems to work just fine

[Saltbush Bill]

Stop picking on Swedish

I agree Yummy , he can do really nice circles with a router when hes sober.

[Swedish Pride]

Laugh it up lads, it's actually far from as rough as my usual work.

Gregg if you think that's rough you should see my plater.

Ecir, by pure luck it's a good fit, push the lid on and give it a quarter of a turn and it's snug.

Not waterproof, each time I flip it the Grove fills up, so turning it back upright brings gravity in to play and some dribbles out
That I'm not concerned about, me I'd just use it as a lid, not to use as an oak addition to the boose so it will sit upright.
You'd have to be a fair bit more accurate than me to be able to use it as a glass badmotivater aging option.

Actually fuck it I may just do that, fill it up with some 60% and store it upside down for the hell of it

[jedneck]

Actually fuck it I may just do that, fill it up with some 60% and store it upside down for the hell of it

I don’t think I’d use that way. Wood expands when wet. Would mot be surprised if it would brake the jar.