How can a person who bought a complete still get his name removed from "The List"? Would returning the still to the distributor be sufficient? Is there a way to document the destruction of the still?
But first, is there a way to determine whether one is on the list? How can one ask the distributor if he is on The List, and do so without raising alarms? Is the distributor obligated to provide that information?
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Will the distributors destroy any records and say, "I do not have records for past sales, but will now start to keep the records that the gov't has requested"?
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The gov't can't catch all moonshiners that live in the shadows. Maybe the gov't should consider an amnesty program, to bring all undocumented moonshiners out in the open and provide a path to legal moonshining.
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lampshade, according to what others have said, you should be receiving an email from your retailer if your purchase was reported to the Feds. Given they have till June 5th to send the data...I would assume that it might be sometime shortly thereafter that you'd be notified. May take a while considering the scope, and if you've changed your email in the last 3 years or not.
As to number 2 above about only serialized parts being reported...I can't see how that would be accurate. First, it's something you'd have to request when you buy — ie to have it seralized for lic/registration. The Feds don't care who does it. You can do it yourself. But, to "lic" your setup, everything has to be documented. This has obviously not been a requirement for general sales. And even considering that some people "do" request this...I would think this would be a very minimal number of total sales. Taking a look at the numbers/figures that have already been thrown out..it's hard for me to believe that these numbers reflect only serialized portion of their overall sales. It's everything...all sales. And that would include stills, still major components (heads/columns, condensers), and "possibly" pots. I suspect the later is so they can cross check the various retailers to see if you've pieced your still together from various parts. (ie., you bought the pot at one store and the still head from another).
My guess is most people who purchased a small still will probably be getting a "blah-blah" letter. Ie. you have purchased a distilling apparatus that requires registration with the fed gov to use for the purpose of ...blah, blah, blah. If you purchased something bigger..that has more capacity...those will go into a different category for more scrutiny. I would imagine that anyone who bought a 50 gal boiler with a port hatch on it and a plated column...would be doing so for commercial purposes and already be in the lic process. But, if you happen to have one of those in your garage....I think you can probably expect that it will go to the top of the list for scrutiny. Those are just guesses. But, you can also never dismiss the possibility that the Feds with limited resources will just pick an easy target and make an example of them.
As to number 2 above about only serialized parts being reported...I can't see how that would be accurate. First, it's something you'd have to request when you buy — ie to have it seralized for lic/registration. The Feds don't care who does it. You can do it yourself. But, to "lic" your setup, everything has to be documented. This has obviously not been a requirement for general sales. And even considering that some people "do" request this...I would think this would be a very minimal number of total sales. Taking a look at the numbers/figures that have already been thrown out..it's hard for me to believe that these numbers reflect only serialized portion of their overall sales. It's everything...all sales. And that would include stills, still major components (heads/columns, condensers), and "possibly" pots. I suspect the later is so they can cross check the various retailers to see if you've pieced your still together from various parts. (ie., you bought the pot at one store and the still head from another).
My guess is most people who purchased a small still will probably be getting a "blah-blah" letter. Ie. you have purchased a distilling apparatus that requires registration with the fed gov to use for the purpose of ...blah, blah, blah. If you purchased something bigger..that has more capacity...those will go into a different category for more scrutiny. I would imagine that anyone who bought a 50 gal boiler with a port hatch on it and a plated column...would be doing so for commercial purposes and already be in the lic process. But, if you happen to have one of those in your garage....I think you can probably expect that it will go to the top of the list for scrutiny. Those are just guesses. But, you can also never dismiss the possibility that the Feds with limited resources will just pick an easy target and make an example of them.
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Hey Guys,
Sorry about being late to the party.
I am the owner of http://www.WhiskeyStill.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
I have yet to be notified of any such requests.
If you have purchased one of my stills, thank you, and you can rest assured that if we do receive such a request that we will attempt to notify all customers via email, telephone, and snail mail with all information provided at purchase.
Moreover, I've acquired a lawyer who's reasonably good at making these requests take longer than they should, or be eliminated all together.
On a personal note, I feel that we are close to legalization for small quantities of home distilled spirits. Much like the path to home brewing.
Although I am currently out of Texas, Ron Paul is my representative in congress and his libertarian views might help the case. Once I'm back in state, I will take action to work with the ADI, the American homedistiller forum, and the manufacturers and distributors of stills to see if we can actually get a proper legal movement going.
Someone mentioned they hated that the moonshiners show brought light to our hobby and are endangering it, but I think exactly the opposite. It has helped bring a fresh new light, and more importantly A LOT of new people to the hobby. And people are exactly what we need to get bills passed.
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Sorry about being late to the party.
I am the owner of http://www.WhiskeyStill.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
I have yet to be notified of any such requests.
If you have purchased one of my stills, thank you, and you can rest assured that if we do receive such a request that we will attempt to notify all customers via email, telephone, and snail mail with all information provided at purchase.
Moreover, I've acquired a lawyer who's reasonably good at making these requests take longer than they should, or be eliminated all together.
On a personal note, I feel that we are close to legalization for small quantities of home distilled spirits. Much like the path to home brewing.
Although I am currently out of Texas, Ron Paul is my representative in congress and his libertarian views might help the case. Once I'm back in state, I will take action to work with the ADI, the American homedistiller forum, and the manufacturers and distributors of stills to see if we can actually get a proper legal movement going.
Someone mentioned they hated that the moonshiners show brought light to our hobby and are endangering it, but I think exactly the opposite. It has helped bring a fresh new light, and more importantly A LOT of new people to the hobby. And people are exactly what we need to get bills passed.
-Jason Stone
The Whiskey Still Company
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Hope your correct!On a personal note, I feel that we are close to legalization for small quantities of home distilled spirits. Much like the path to home brewing.
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Thank you for chiming in Jason. Sure hope youre right about legalization at a small level. A major difference to beer brewing is safety factors. A frustration we see, which is prevalent on heaps of ridiculous Youtube video's, and a main charter of this site, is to educate and keep people safe. There are things that can be done wrong in this hobby that can be downright dangerous, beyond just making a foul beverage. Seems every swinging dick that watches that show thinks he can fire up a still without proper research and make some hooch. Since we're talking about boiling flammable and explosive liquids (if done wrong) I worry that safety considerations may be our biggest challenge in taking this hobby legal?WhiskeyStillCo wrote:Hey Guys,
Sorry about being late to the party.
I am the owner of http://www.WhiskeyStill.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
I have yet to be notified of any such requests.
If you have purchased one of my stills, thank you, and you can rest assured that if we do receive such a request that we will attempt to notify all customers via email, telephone, and snail mail with all information provided at purchase.
Moreover, I've acquired a lawyer who's reasonably good at making these requests take longer than they should, or be eliminated all together.
On a personal note, I feel that we are close to legalization for small quantities of home distilled spirits. Much like the path to home brewing.
Although I am currently out of Texas, Ron Paul is my representative in congress and his libertarian views might help the case. Once I'm back in state, I will take action to work with the ADI, the American homedistiller forum, and the manufacturers and distributors of stills to see if we can actually get a proper legal movement going.
Someone mentioned they hated that the moonshiners show brought light to our hobby and are endangering it, but I think exactly the opposite. It has helped bring a fresh new light, and more importantly A LOT of new people to the hobby. And people are exactly what we need to get bills passed.
-Jason Stone
The Whiskey Still Company
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You could move to Oz... its legal to have a still as long as it's not over 5 litres capacity, however larger stills sold openly even from licenced liquor outlets.
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Is it any more dangerous than frying a turducken in a 10 gal pot of boiling oil on a propane burner? Or burning a pile of leaves/branches with gas? Or the myriad of gas and spirits and flammable substances most people have in their garage or shed? Or operating a chain saw? I didn't have to register my chain saw with the gov nor was I required to take lessons or pass a competency and safety test to use it. Is it more dangerous than a firearm?
I don't think it's the danger part...so much as the tax part. Getting the gov to give that up is not going to be easy. The other thing not mentioned is the commercial distillers. There might might be some who support our cause. But, you can bet most of the corporate ones...ain't gonna be happy if they think it's going to affect sales. I think thats' more the uphill battle.
I don't think it's the danger part...so much as the tax part. Getting the gov to give that up is not going to be easy. The other thing not mentioned is the commercial distillers. There might might be some who support our cause. But, you can bet most of the corporate ones...ain't gonna be happy if they think it's going to affect sales. I think thats' more the uphill battle.
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haha, I agree, just anticipating what might be the hangup here?Usge wrote:Is it any more dangerous than frying a turducken in a 10 gal pot of boiling oil on a propane burner? Or burning a pile of leaves/branches with gas? Or the myriad of gas and spirits and flammable substances most people have in their garage or shed? Or operating a chain saw? I didn't have to register my chain saw with the gov nor was I required to take lessons or pass a competency and safety test to use it. Is it more dangerous than a firearm?
I don't think it's the danger part...so much as the tax part. Getting the gov to give that up is not going to be easy. The other thing not mentioned is the commercial distillers. There might might be some who support our cause. But, you can bet most of the corporate ones...ain't gonna be happy if they think it's going to affect sales. I think thats' more the uphill battle.
Do you think that many people are crazy enough, like us, to distill beverages to affect tax revenue? As big as homebrewing is, its still a cottage industry and probably has very minimal impact to tax revenue. I gotta believe home distillers would be far fewer than home brewers. Most of which are afraid to step outside dumping malt extract in hot water.
PS to pt49: I spent some time in Perth. I could live there in a red hot second. Love it there. And them Morton Bay bugs are freakin delicious!!!
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Usage, whenever I read/hear someone talking about how dangerous distilling is, I think of that.Is it any more dangerous than frying a turducken in a 10 gal pot of boiling oil on a propane burner?
Imagine, a pot of HIGHLY flammable oil...not just flammable mind you...able to create water impervious fire-balls that get so tremendously hot that they can ignite structures a dozen feet away. I have seen a fire martial of a small town plunk a turkey in...over-flowing the peanut oil onto the flames--created a mushroom cloud of fire--and promptly turned the nearest building's vinyl siding into a shrinky-dink and proceeded in igniting the side of an apartment complex plus the over-head balcony. This was right after he finished lecturing everyone on how dangerous having BBQs on the back porch can be...and why he moved the turkey fryer so far out...
I managed an apartment complex for a while...he is right about how dangerous BBQs are...Constant source of siding melts and small - large fires.
Point is, distilling is dangerous...but not more so then some of the things that people regularly do and consider relatively safe.
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Pyewacket wrote: Imagine, a pot of HIGHLY flammable oil...not just flammable mind you...able to create water impervious fire-balls that get so tremendously hot that they can ignite structures a dozen feet away. I have seen a fire martial of a small town plunk a turkey in...over-flowing the peanut oil onto the flames--created a mushroom cloud of fire--and promptly turned the nearest building's vinyl siding into a shrinky-dink and proceeded in igniting the side of an apartment complex plus the over-head balcony.
laughed outloud at that one.In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.
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Funny story.
I hate to see deep frying and water in the same sentence. Water will put out an oil fire in a deep fryer as it creates a superheated steam explosion-saw the results of that one in the burn ward. Nasty and permanent.
Texas has no enforced state laws against home distilling so it could be a better than average place to start.
I hate to see deep frying and water in the same sentence. Water will put out an oil fire in a deep fryer as it creates a superheated steam explosion-saw the results of that one in the burn ward. Nasty and permanent.
Texas has no enforced state laws against home distilling so it could be a better than average place to start.
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err yeah mate look its legal to have a pissy little 5ltr jobbie long as you only use it for essential oils ect so for all intended purposes its not legal is itpt49 wrote:You could move to Oz... its legal to have a still as long as it's not over 5 litres capacity, however larger stills sold openly even from licenced liquor outlets.
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Thanks for the heads up from the still companies. Appreciate you being straight with us about what is happening.
Anybody who is thinking about taking up this hobby (anywhere except New Zealand) has to understand that the law could be hard on them if they get caught. Depending on the circumstances, including your previous criminal record, you could lose a lot.
If you are not prepared for that possibility, then don't start.
Best you can do to stay off the law's radar is keep it safe, strictly small-scale hobby level, don't sell, and don't shoot your mouth off about it.
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Something the hobby might want to consider is funding a lobbyist for our cause. Won't be cheap, but it is probably necessary. We need somebody who understands the situation for us, and can put our case strongly in public, without worrying about getting a visit from Mr Law.
There are at least several thousand active hobby stillers in the English speaking world, $10 from each would fund a lobbyist for a year or two, maybe half time.
Probably best to concentrate on one country first, get it legal there and use it as a test case for the rest of us to follow and learn from. Much as I'd like it to be my own country, the USA seems the most obvious choice, a win there would make it a lot easier for the rest of us.
Safety is the main barrier we have to overcome to legalisation. We must prove that we give safety the highest priority and that we do it safely.
Anybody who is thinking about taking up this hobby (anywhere except New Zealand) has to understand that the law could be hard on them if they get caught. Depending on the circumstances, including your previous criminal record, you could lose a lot.
If you are not prepared for that possibility, then don't start.
Best you can do to stay off the law's radar is keep it safe, strictly small-scale hobby level, don't sell, and don't shoot your mouth off about it.
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Something the hobby might want to consider is funding a lobbyist for our cause. Won't be cheap, but it is probably necessary. We need somebody who understands the situation for us, and can put our case strongly in public, without worrying about getting a visit from Mr Law.
There are at least several thousand active hobby stillers in the English speaking world, $10 from each would fund a lobbyist for a year or two, maybe half time.
Probably best to concentrate on one country first, get it legal there and use it as a test case for the rest of us to follow and learn from. Much as I'd like it to be my own country, the USA seems the most obvious choice, a win there would make it a lot easier for the rest of us.
Safety is the main barrier we have to overcome to legalisation. We must prove that we give safety the highest priority and that we do it safely.
Be safe.
Be discreet.
And have fun.
Be discreet.
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it is still illegal to run alcohol through itpt49 wrote:You could move to Oz... its legal to have a still as long as it's not over 5 litres capacity, however larger stills sold openly even from licenced liquor outlets.
and i cant find who was commenting on legalization and safety but my piece to add to that is if it was legalized i would say that a site like this would get massive amount of new members then it would be a push for the people not being stupid and keeping smart on the safety etc as i hope everyone does
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legalization of home distilling would not impact tax revenues, it would increase them! Case in point in New Zealand, when they legalized home distilling, they saw their tax revenues from spirits increase. 
On the safety front, scuba divers dont usually just buy a bunch of gear and then go flopping around in the water.... they take a course in scuba diving and then obtain a rating from NAUI or PADI etc.
i consider this forum to be my training course. I have been able to quickly learn the do's and dont's primarily through reading of this site and then implementing what ive learned. We already have the people in place to be called certified trainers. These people could work with the local home brewing shops as the real experts on the subject. They get to increase still sales(even more tax revenues for the government) and maybe, even maybe, the experts on here get a few more bucks in their pockets as instructors to supplement their own hobby.
On the safety front, scuba divers dont usually just buy a bunch of gear and then go flopping around in the water.... they take a course in scuba diving and then obtain a rating from NAUI or PADI etc.
i consider this forum to be my training course. I have been able to quickly learn the do's and dont's primarily through reading of this site and then implementing what ive learned. We already have the people in place to be called certified trainers. These people could work with the local home brewing shops as the real experts on the subject. They get to increase still sales(even more tax revenues for the government) and maybe, even maybe, the experts on here get a few more bucks in their pockets as instructors to supplement their own hobby.
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http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 50&t=44544
My old still
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p7083991
My controller:
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p7089109
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 50&t=44544
My old still
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p7083991
My controller:
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I would give my $10 hell even more to help the cause. I ain't got much but I would still support the move to legalization! Just hope a tax isn't in the deal, cause they tax us enough as it is!
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Cornsqueezer, I totally agree. I'd be ready to contribute money right away if there was a legitimate avenue or lobbyist to support. I'm not freaking out, but I'm concerned. I don't know about everyone else's purchased rigs, but the hillbilly flute I bought a while back has a serial number on it. Every one Mike makes has one, and he makes you check a box when you purchase one agreeing that you understand at any time the feds can demand copies of his sales records. My ethanol fuel permit got denied because I don't have an out-building on my property. Looks like I won't be able to make any FUEL until I get that shed purchased and the paperwork re-submitted. Kinda wish I just ripped off Mike's design and built it myself now.
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Now that is funny.Kinda wish I just ripped off Mike's design and built it myself now.
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Just spat some coffee on the keyboard
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Maybe he's OD'd on somethingPrairiepiss wrote:Now that is funny.Kinda wish I just ripped off Mike's design and built it myself now.
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I know one person it's not funny to. Can you steal something that has been stolen 
My Grandpa used to say. Don't argue with an idiot, because he will just drag you down to his level then beat you with experience.
He also used to say. I didn't say it was your fault. I just said that I was blaming you.
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the bigger question is "how do you steal somthing that was given freely?"
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Maybe Wikipedia has the answer:cob wrote:the bigger question is "how do you steal somthing that was given freely?"
"Kleptomania is the inability to refrain from the urge to steal items for reasons other than personal use or financial gain. First described in 1816, kleptomania is classified in psychiatry as an impulse control disorder.Alternatively, some of the main characteristics of the disorder, which consist of recurring intrusion feelings, an inability to resist the urge to steal, and a release of pressure following the theft, suggest that kleptomania could be an obsessive-compulsive spectrum disorder,although this is disputed.
The disorder is frequently under-diagnosed and is regularly associated with other psychiatric disorders, particularly anxiety and eating disorders, and alcohol and substance abuse. Patients with kleptomania are typically treated with therapies in other areas due to the comorbid grievances rather than issues directly related to kleptomania."
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Oh I know why. If you guys read my first post in the newbie section you'll see. It's the same reason I waited so long to join the forum. I followed the flute thread back when OD taught KS everything. And, for the record, I've never received any notice from hillbilly stills regarding sales record requests.
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It will be real interesting to see if they do. Keep us posted on thisRandyMarshCT wrote:Oh I know why. If you guys read my first post in the newbie section you'll see. It's the same reason I waited so long to join the forum. I followed the flute thread back when OD taught KS everything. And, for the record, I've never received any notice from hillbilly stills regarding sales record requests.
My Grandpa used to say. Don't argue with an idiot, because he will just drag you down to his level then beat you with experience.
He also used to say. I didn't say it was your fault. I just said that I was blaming you.
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He also used to say. I didn't say it was your fault. I just said that I was blaming you.
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Today was the dead line, no?drinkingdog wrote:It will be real interesting to see if they do
By checking the box, the customer is put on notice prior to completing the transaction,no?
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It would still be nice if you truly cared about your customers you would still inform them that time has come as other still manufacturers have. To me that is good businessLWTCS wrote:Today was the dead line, no?drinkingdog wrote:It will be real interesting to see if they do
By checking the box, the customer is put on notice prior to completing the transaction,no?
My Grandpa used to say. Don't argue with an idiot, because he will just drag you down to his level then beat you with experience.
He also used to say. I didn't say it was your fault. I just said that I was blaming you.
DD
He also used to say. I didn't say it was your fault. I just said that I was blaming you.
DD
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This just in from the folks at hillbilly stills
speak of the devil... here is a copy of their letter sent out today:
Have you heard the news about the TTB? They are on the move and going to each and every maker of distillation equipment. They have been here and this is what we, Hillbilly Stills, had to do and what we were told:
First of all we had to turn over names and serial numbers of each still we have sold. We will have to do this every quarter. For us, that was over 3,000 records. Secondly, it is not illegal to own a distillation column. What makes it illegal is what you do with your column. Now, there is no way we can speculate on what they are going to do and for us say 'what they may do is...' is so unfair to you. There is no need to worry or stress over this. If you are honest with yourself, haven't you kinda known that they could do something with all the shows on making moonshine airing? Here at HBS, we are not stressing or worrying about them and sleep very well each and every night. If there was something to be concerned about please believe us and know we would give every single one of you a heads up.
here i removed the section of the e-mail not relevant to the topic
Just know, if we honestly thought this visit from the TTB was anything to stress or worry over, we would tell you. Please, don't give it another thought. Enjoy life and don't fret or stress...
end of e-mail
speak of the devil... here is a copy of their letter sent out today:
Have you heard the news about the TTB? They are on the move and going to each and every maker of distillation equipment. They have been here and this is what we, Hillbilly Stills, had to do and what we were told:
First of all we had to turn over names and serial numbers of each still we have sold. We will have to do this every quarter. For us, that was over 3,000 records. Secondly, it is not illegal to own a distillation column. What makes it illegal is what you do with your column. Now, there is no way we can speculate on what they are going to do and for us say 'what they may do is...' is so unfair to you. There is no need to worry or stress over this. If you are honest with yourself, haven't you kinda known that they could do something with all the shows on making moonshine airing? Here at HBS, we are not stressing or worrying about them and sleep very well each and every night. If there was something to be concerned about please believe us and know we would give every single one of you a heads up.
here i removed the section of the e-mail not relevant to the topic
Just know, if we honestly thought this visit from the TTB was anything to stress or worry over, we would tell you. Please, don't give it another thought. Enjoy life and don't fret or stress...
end of e-mail
She was just a moonshiner,
But he loved her Still
But he loved her Still