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Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:56 pm
by smoCha
W Pappy wrote:OK OK OK as long as you did all those cleaning runs first and foremost and didn't drink your first run you and your friend just may live lol.
Really tho what kind of charcoal did you use this is a serious question is it the kind you cook with or not?
it was an unprocessed lump maple charcoal, not a pressed brick. Its 100% burnt wood and nothing else. Cant see the harm in that. but, everything ive read says it wouldnt change the flavor anyway, so im gonna switch to a scrubber next time. However, as this was my second sweet feed try and i can say the reflux created by my " musket ball o' charcoal" did give me a much more neutral flavor which i liked. The first attempt was way to "grainy/oatey" for my liking. Thanks pappy and HDNB for your continued input. My father can attest to the fact that a swift ass whippin' usually gets me moving in the right direction.
Intimnasc wrote:I love ya man you sound like my kinda druntard. I am soo looking forward to finishing mine and posting it up here.
Bring your A game.......they are definately on point here.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:07 pm
by W Pappy
If ya like a neutral why waste good SF on it go make ya a batch of birdwatchers in tried & tru.It may be more to your liken.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:11 pm
by SassyFrass
W Pappy wrote:If ya like a neutral why waste good SF on it go make ya a batch of birdwatchers in tried & tru.It may be more to your liken.
+10 W Pappy
Try a couple of the vodka type recipes in the Tried and True. Pick out your favorite and run it. Pretty simple and cheap for a neutral spirit.
I'd suggest stripping runs before a spirit run, but some folks like singlins'. Your call.
Make very conservative cuts and don't be greedy. You can always make more.
Every outfit has its own personality and its own little quirks. Know your outfit as best you can. Observe closely while you are cooking, so you know when the run is going right and you'll know if something ain't right. You'll know every little nuance about your outfit, but she'll throw a curve at you every now and then so stay on your toes.
I cant speak much on filtering likker thru charcoal, but have a buddy that makes vodka in a reflux still and I think it tastes better before the filtering. He likes it filtered, so that's what he does.
just my $.02
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:20 pm
by smoCha
Im gonna try that one and the traditional sweet feed recipe, although the one im doing was drived from it originally. If i get to it tonight i may report back early next week. Dont get me wrong, i want some flavor in it, just dont want it to smell like mr eds feed sack when you open a jar. Thanks again to all!
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:57 pm
by HDNB
mebbe try UJJSSM, the oats an barley havemore of the feedbag smell off the pipe. corns just sweeter.
i'll tell you though, a while on charred oak and those grain notes mellow into something very nice. it only takes a few weeks.
my Booner's Casual Corn was so corny when it was new, i thought i did something wrong. thought i made unsweetened corn syrup... by week 3 on charred oak it was/is my new favorite!
and packing a potstill won't help. unless it's stainless and you are trying to introduce copper to the vapour path...but it won't do shit for reflux in a pot still.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:46 pm
by W Pappy
There you go you have gotten some of the best advise you can get now do as you will.
Next time I want to here some real edumacated talk bout makin likker.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:18 pm
by smoCha
You bet pappy. Where should i post my next adventure? Im curious about using malted barley in addition to sugar for sweet feed washes. Actually have one cooking right now.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:47 pm
by HDNB
go over to AG thread jimbos all malt and make Jimbos eyeballs pop out.
heheheh
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:58 pm
by smoCha
HDNB wrote:go over to AG thread jimbos all malt and make Jimbos eyeballs pop out.
heheheh
Yeah, im gonna pass on that invite, my hiney is still a bit tender. Seriuosly though, lets let this thread die. Ill see anyone who cares in the my first thread cuz this will be "my first real attempt" at refining a recipe to my liking and following(sorta) the instructions.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:41 am
by W Pappy
Well you can always put it in What did you make today. Just read and when you find similar threads and post you will
get the hang of it.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:26 pm
by hawgwrench
Ok smocha...ya got your warm welcome! I reckon this is the only hobby where ya work your but off, wait weeks and nurse buckets of bubbling slop, hover over it while ya spend better part of a day cooking it off, then taste it only stumble hacking an gaggin to the woods to dump weeks worth of work in the creek. Gluttons for punishment don't really fit, but it's alotta fun. Keep after it, an don't re-invent the wheel. Get your stripes with one of these guys recipes an methods....get the feel for your specific rig. This way ya know that it WILL work, ya just gotta get your parts right. Saves a lot of wasted time an starving livestock. Welcome to the game!
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:57 pm
by Deerhunter
what is the purpose of the thru tubes on that design? Is that just to get some reflux?
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:22 pm
by SassyFrass
W Pappy wrote:Well you can always put it in What did you make today. Just read and when you find similar threads and post you will
get the hang of it.
And there's always the mistakes thread.
I've dumped ALOT of mash/wash/must and likker over the years.
You ARE gonna make mistakes. Wouldn't be worth doing if you didn't. Just expect it.
Man said "Steep Learnin' Curve Ahead" and he wasn't kidding.
This ain't rocket science, folks been making likker for years.
Read, research, learn and no matter how much you think you learn, there's something new around the corner.
Good Luck
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:51 pm
by smoCha
Deerhunter wrote:what is the purpose of the thru tubes on that design? Is that just to get some reflux?
I thought the tube were for more reflux, based on the designers info. But after coming over to this forum, I've learned that they won't do much. Although they are cool to the touch during a run, they don't amount to much surface area.
They do make the entire unit more compact and rigid. Portability is a concern in my particular situation.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:55 pm
by smoCha
SassyFrass wrote:W Pappy wrote:Well you can always put it in What did you make today. Just read and when you find similar threads and post you will
get the hang of it.
Read, research, learn and no matter how much you think you learn, there's something new around the corner.
Good Luck
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:56 pm
by smoCha
smoCha wrote:SassyFrass wrote:W Pappy wrote:Well you can always put it in What did you make today. Just read and when you find similar threads and post you will
get the hang of it.
Read, research, learn and no matter how much you think you learn, there's something new around the corner.
Good Luck
WORDS TO LIVE BY.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:18 pm
by HDNB
Like T-Pee is apt to say "the still is strong in this one"
sorry don't remebmber how to do the little jedi emoticon dude.
(tp, we need some animation here.)
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:37 pm
by smoCha
HDNB wrote:Like T-Pee is apt to say "the still is strong in this one"
sorry don't remebmber how to do the little jedi emoticon dude.
(tp, we need some animation here.)
Thanks dude.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:52 pm
by T-Pee
Happy to oblige.
The still is indeed strong in this one.
tp
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:38 pm
by smoCha
Tagging on to this post because I had no idea where to pose this question. After a very successful sugar strawberry run, I wanted to make some strawberry pie. Bought some strawberry banana nectar and a can of strawberry pie filling. (The experts have already figured out what I've done wrong) I added 2 big tablespoons of the filling to a pint jar, 8 Oz of distillate and gave it a shake. I had hoped.to dissolve all the yummy syrupy goodness but instead a gooey white/pink substance formed near the surface. Yeah, it floats. Filtered this wet cotton candy off and somehow felt I was saying goodbye to all my alcohol? Maybe (hopefully) I'm wrong here. IDK?
After this total puzzler, I threw in some of the fruit juices and gave up.
Here's what it looks like now^^
wtf did I do wrong?
Alcohol bind w something?
Preservatives in the pie filling?
Still tastes like sugar shine with strawberry juice in it, But let me save yall the key strokes- GO READ ALOT MORE!
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:38 pm
by W Pappy
3 words "strawberry panty dropper" now go fetch.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:33 am
by smoCha
W Pappy wrote:3 words "strawberry panty dropper" now go fetch.
as long as you keep throwing the stick, I'll keep bringing it back.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:49 am
by HDNB
my guess is the the stuff that floated was gelatin that made the pie filling thick. the stuff that sunk is blanched fibre from pureed fruit. or possibly sugar that titrated out. how ungodly sweet is it? if it's palatable, just filter the solids!
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:15 pm
by W Pappy
I thru some leftover candy canes from Christmas in some neutral once, and got the same crap in the bottom
of the jar.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:08 pm
by smoCha
as directed, windowsill and all
Patience. It's a hard learned lesson. I must say, I came onto this forum thinking I was gonna be elbows deep in whiskey. turns out I've used a calculator and dictionary more than my still. Thanks for the slice of humble pie y'all. It went down well.
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:32 pm
by W Pappy
Now hell fire don't that purdy as all hell!!
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:48 pm
by smoCha
smoCha wrote:2015-02-22 20.07.20.png
Well, here it is.............
First attempt at what appears to be a wonderful addition to my list of eccentric hobbies. A few buddies grabbed some local fame for some good beer brewing and not to be outdone I created this beast. I will admit I've been lurking around the site for a few months now, reading a lot of the newbie topics and writing down recipes. I'm new to distilling but not to Internet forums so i wanted to answer on my own some of the easy ones. On that topic, thanks to the mods/creators/contributors for what seems like a really well put together forum.
On to the good stuff. My first run was a pre-made 5 gal batch of apple wine that the beer maker i mentioned above donated to the cause. Into jelly jars poured the oddest apple paint thinner I have ever seen. At first, but it actually leveled out after a pint or so and made a really nice apple pie. I cut it off 1 jar after it stopped burning and yielded roughly 4 pints, 8 after adding the juice and such.
so now that I was an expert it was time to make something great! (go ahead and laugh). partner in crime and I headed to tractor supply and bought some nice livestock rations. 10# cracked corn, 50# of sweet feed. Did our first mash with all the corn, 7# of malted barley and bread yeast. He was appalled. After soiling his beautiful 25 gal mash tun with chicken food I went one step further and poured "roughly four inches" of fine fine horse dinner into a five gallon water bottle. Huge fucking mistake, I'll tell you why later. We tossed in a bit of malted barley for good measure. Both were done fermenting in about a 5-6 days. The corn mix was just that....corn. kept enough to make 6-7 pints at around 80 proof.
On to my new love, sweet feed..after what seemed like two pretty decent runs I was set back a bit with my third creation. First of all I had to get the 25# of oatmeal I had made out of the narrow necked bottle I decided to use. Then, I had to extract from this barnyard mush something I might be able to put in the pot. My elbows still hurt from the 3 hours of wrapping and wringing this funky mush in a cotton cloth. I also owe my wife a new pillow case. Roughly 21/2 gallons turned out some weird molasses whiskey with a total sum of 2 jelly jars. Here's where things got crazy. In a bit of a stupor, not brought on by my creation entirely, I decided charcoal aging would be a great idea. I opened the door to my wood stove, stumbled dangerously close with the tongs and plucked out an inch square chunk of maple wood I cut this summer and tossed it in the drink. Capped it up real quick cuz if I'm gonna ruin it, at least it will be fun to watch. A week later an viola, great tasting creation. Although it was a rather crude process my interest was peaked. And I only had two jelly jars of final product and that would hardly earn me bragging rights on the next camping trip.
So let's make some rum. Melted 21 lbs of brown sugar, two pounds of honey and passed out on the couch waiting for it to cool. It's 14 degrees in Ohio. At 3 am I awoke from my slumber and waddled the turkey fryer pot full of simple syrup into the kitchen. I'll just stop here because this is a sad story.
Most successful effort so far. I went back to the farm food, but put it in cheese cloth bags this time. Why isn't that attached to every dam sweet feed recipe on the planet? I bet I read 100 of them. I used some malted barley and threw in 5-6# of sugar, just for good measure. Two ale pales full of sweetness rotted six days exactly, still using the bread yeast, BTW. I've also learned a bit more about heads and tails at this point, so I've started keeping a lot less. .75 gal to be exact. Oh, and I dropped a charcoal stuffed mess of cheese cloth in the column. I left the top cap loose for this purpose. This one is really good! Cut it off around 60 and when mixed ended up with around 90. I plan on buying some barrel staves for this batch, the dirty charcoal treatment was just an experiment. But I think I'm on to something here, so I really want to press onward with my horse food concoction.
I'll keep you all posted, as I'm sure this is gonna be a long ride. I do have a few opening ?? for the experts.
1. Is the yield I'm getting in the ballpark? I feel like making 8-9 gallons of beer should get me more than 3 pints of output. Maybe not, I don't know the equation yet but I could do the math if you point me in the right direction.
2. Does starting abv determine output? The above reverenced apple wine was 12-14% start, I have no idea what the horsey juice was, but more of the apple seemed drinkable on a percentage basis. Maybe a function of question #1?
3. Any body else a sweet feed pro? Or is it bottom of the barrel, po' boy, ghetto shit. I think there's alot of potential here. Don't get me wrong, I don't assume to that I'm going turn turn winners choice show food in makers mark, but what you like is what you like right?
4. What do you think of the first build? Im $200 in. I run 3 gallons a min through the cooling jacket, in finish runs in 3-4 hours.
I look foward to your comments, and appreciate any advice. Ive got a few more pics to come, but i have to resize them all to get them over here. Thanks again for all your help.
Just re-read my opening post.-sweet jesus, Thanks for not killing me! I've settled into an uncle Jesse varation with a bit less backset, and a rye sugar combo on real oak chips.
Oh what you learn......
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:08 pm
by Bigbob
It happens to all of us. The good ones don't quit...congratulations!
Re: a few firsts experiences.
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:49 pm
by smoCha
Bigbob wrote:It happens to all of us. The good ones don't quit...congratulations!
Thank you sir, thats a nice thing to say. I'm gonna stick around these parts, ya'll are good folks.