Viper
(Unregistered)
10/04/03 09:38 PM
Is this simple just too simple??
I have read a recipe for making homemade "wine" at http://www.beveragerecipe.com/AZ/HmmdWin.asp onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow ... Now, it is so simple, I have to question the quality and purity of such a "wine".
Would this stuff taste horrible? Would the alcohol content be really low? Would it be hazardous to your health?
It'd be nice if it were an easy solution that works as advertised.... But I am a very sceptical person. If it would work, do you know of any equally simple ways to extract either the alcohol, or the other junk to get something more pure (higher alcohol percentage)?
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tater
(journeyman)
10/05/03 07:14 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Viper]
ive used 6 cans frozen juice 5lbs suger and 3 .25 packs of yeast to make brandy flavored brew. worked well for me
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Viper
(Unregistered)
10/05/03 11:37 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Also, are there any really simple procedures to increase the alcohol concentration?
I like to mix my drinks, but something that is weak, is going to be even weaker when mixed with non-alcoholic beverages. This being something I want to avoid.
Thanks in advance.
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tater
(journeyman)
10/05/03 04:34 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Viper]
that mix was a 5 gallon recipe. you can freeze in 10 1/2 gallon jugs it after fermation keeping the first half that thaws that will increase the abv or distill in a pot still .
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/06/03 03:51 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
Im curious as to wether this will work with apples... I've read that apples ferment on their own, so I wouldnt have to go and buy yeast, nor juice stuff. Might you be able to fill me in on how many apples, and what I'd have to do to them?.
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tater
(journeyman)
10/06/03 05:50 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
lol as you can tell i use the same recipe for apples plums peaches necterines and grapes 4 to 6 lb per gallon water i leave the skins on any fruit had wild yeast that can ferment it. never can be sure of what youll get though. thats why i pour boiling water on mine and add my own yeast. just finished some pear time to sample later said tater
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/06/03 06:15 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
I've started with some apples today. I used 4 apples crushed added about 2 cups sugar, and the milk jug is 1/3rd full with the addition of water. What type of adjustments should I make to get the ratios right?
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tater
(journeyman)
10/06/03 06:17 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
the recipe is 4 to 6 lbs fruit. pitted if peaches plums ect ground or mashed up skins on.to each gallon of water. 1/4 cup lemon juice per 5 gallons of mix if making it pure brandy take some of the wash cool 95 degrees f add.5 oz yeast stir wash well to airenate add started yeast and let ferment if you want more drinkum add 1 to 2 lb suger per gallon while boiling water to pour over fruit. theres lots of different recipes this is just the basic one i use. make sure to read the distilling sec on this sight hope this helps later said tater[the pear is good]
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/06/03 06:40 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
All set, I scaled your recipe down a bit, mine is still a bit different though. One quick question, how long should it take for things to finish?
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tater
(journeyman)
10/06/03 07:16 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
i ferment in a small plastic barrel with a tight fitting lid . i have it rigged with a tube thats stuck in a glass of water . when the brew quits bubbling its ready . temp how much yeast makes for differnt fermenting times
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/07/03 02:16 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
Hmm... Its been near 24 hours, trying without boughten yeast. There is only a little gas filling the balloon. Should it be fermenting more quickly? Or without boughten yeast should I expect a slow fermentation?
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afss
(stranger)
10/08/03 04:46 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
I am not 100% sure, but if you used boiling water in the mix then you may have killed of a good % of the natural yeast. I think with natural yeast it also takes a bit longer to get going, but again not 100% on that just from memory and placing apple cyder beside a radiator to let it ferment.
Scott
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/08/03 03:06 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: afss]
I didnt use boiling water. Right now its at room temp, should I put it somewhere else?
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tater
(journeyman)
10/08/03 07:54 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
what was your mix did you just add the suger or mix it with boiling waster to disolve ? apples mashed to a fine pulp did you leave the peelings on . ? suggest you read the preparing wash sec of this sight, but a nat yeast ferment can be a real slow one. later said tater
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/08/03 10:06 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
Is it possible that too much sugar is causing it problems? I cant remember exactly, but something like a cup and a half of sugar, 4 apples crushed with skins. Put in a milk jug, and filled most the rest the way with water. It was shaken to help get oxygen through it, and to mix the ingredients. Its been sitting under my desk with a bag over it to make it dark.
Im afraid that it will just rot before it ferments, would that make the stuff undrinkable?
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/08/03 10:08 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
This reminds me, is there a safe way to soften the apples to make them easier to crush/mash? I found it to be quite a chore the way I did it....
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afss
(stranger)
10/09/03 04:45 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
I seem to remember reading somewhere that if you freeze the fruit and then thaw it that it will mash more easily. Myself, I just used a food processor to grind the stuff up. Not sure if this is OK, but it seemed to work well. This is my first attempt so i will have to see what the finished product is like.
Scott
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tater
(journeyman)
10/09/03 05:35 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
you should really read over this sight. i think youll find all you have asked is covered in 1 section or another as for fruit i use a old meat grinder . and fruits are easyer to use after being frozen. later said tater
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/09/03 04:32 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
Thanks for the tips, I froze 3 apples instead, then grated them, then took a masher to them in a bowl. This is a lot better than my previous attempt. BTW- I've read the wash section a couple times already, and the reason I ask is because some things aren't stated too clearly. But it was still helpful.
I've read that an ordinary apple is 1000 grams, which translates to a bit over 2 pounds.
You say 4-6 pounds of fruit, and this should be around 6 pounds.
So, should I just fill it the rest of the way with water? Or should I give it some sugar too?
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tater
(journeyman)
10/09/03 08:04 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
i think i would weigh the apples . and measure the water dont guess at it. the suger would be up to you but if you do use it mix it with boiling water cool and add if trying to use natural yeast add while hot then let cool if adding yeast either way stir to add o2 back to mix before fermation
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/09/03 08:19 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
I guess I'll skip on the sugar this time... but wouldn't hot water kill the yeast or something?
Anyways.... Should this be kept warmer than room temp to ferment? Or should I try and keep it as it is?
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tater
(journeyman)
10/09/03 09:05 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
wouldnt be using hot water if not adding suger 70 to 80 degrees f should be warm enough. if doing this in a gallon jug or small amount trying to ferment naturaly you realize how little % alc your going to get your brew will be a weak wine at best.through all these posts iv not really been clear on what your after. but hope ive been some help later said tater
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/09/03 10:37 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
I'd of course like a stronger alcohol, but I dont feel like going out to get some yeast. I read on this site that natural yeast will give you a weak alcohol content, but It will do for now. I dont really have the resources and time to give it the dedication of actually distilling the stuff.
Im guessing even bakers yeast will produce greater results than natural yeast. I'll go for the recipe exactly mentioned on the site I posted at first sometime, when I manage to get things together.
Don't think you havent been a huge help, because you have. Thanks for that.. I came here completely clueless, and now I have a pretty good idea of what I'll want to do. Wouldn't be this far without ya!
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Viper
(Unregistered)
10/23/03 06:54 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
It has finally stopped fermenting... I've taken it and filtered out the pieces of apple. When tasting it, it isn't exactly something I would call "good". I've added sugar and it is tollerable with ice.
Are there any other ways to get some nice real flavor in this stuff? I've read the flavoring section but not much seemed too practical in my situation.
If you have any tips, feel free that share
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/23/03 07:06 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Viper]
I've tried adding a bit of kool-aid powder and it makes a nice improvement. I''m still open for ideas though. My mind isn't set on sweet, it just seemed the easiest direction to go.
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tater
(journeyman)
10/23/03 07:28 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Anonymous]
might wanna try finding a web sight on wine making
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Fourway
(member)
10/24/03 06:16 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: tater]
What tater said.
This is really a forum about distilling.
Most of the folks here aren't trying to make fermented stuff that tastes good.
That falls more under wine and beer making.
Considering that there are probably 100 homebrewing and winemaking forums for every distilling forum... and this is one of the perhaps 5 existing distilling forums... you aren't just barking up the wrong tree, you are standing in the middle of a forest barking up the only thing that isn't a tree for 100 miles in every direction.
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Fourway
(member)
10/24/03 06:22 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Fourway]
But don't be suprised if folks who are working hard to make serious wine or beer can't offer much advice about making glorified pruno.
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)
10/25/03 11:08 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Fourway]
lol!!! funny! really! the middle of a forest barking up something not a tree LOL!!!! 4way, you're tooo funny. Refluxinator here, just didn't sign on yet. can't....stop.....laughing.....
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tater
(journeyman)
10/26/03 08:18 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Fourway]
yep thats what i said
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viper
(stranger)
11/06/03 09:58 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Viper]
Who the blue fu** is using my handle ?
Editor http://www.viperslair.co.uk onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
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Fourway
(member)
11/06/03 12:49 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: viper]
An anonymous guy who wants advice on making pruno.
But since he used it a month or two before you registered, it's not really as if he's posting in your name.
You just picked a name that will forever get you mistaken for the guy who came to the distiller forum to ask if you can get drunk on the stuff that accumulates under the vegetable rotting drawer of the refrigerator.
"Please don't drink and derive" -MADD Mathematicians Against Drunk Deriving
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viper
(stranger)
11/07/03 01:28 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Fourway]
Oh contrare, I have copyrights.
Right now I'm inclined towards using it.
I was brought here by another user who brought this to my attention.
Reputations are easily damaged. How would you like somebody posting shit under your name ?
Never Trust A Hippie !
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Formerly Viper
(Unregistered)
12/31/03 11:44 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: viper]
If you're speaking about me viper, I posted as viper when I came here. It is simply a name that I use, never even thought of you. "Viper" is such a damn generic name that there are thousands (or more). So if you want to try and take up a lawsuit about copyrighting the word "viper", feel free to, and have it laughed out of court. If you want to be an asshole, at least don't be stupid about it.
To those who are complaining about me posting here instead of on a winemaking forum, I'm sorry. I had no idea what I was doing when I got here, and was new to the subject.
Anyways, I'd like to say thanks to tater for the help, it turned out fine after bottling for a month or so. I may get into distilling sometime, but space and materials are both problems.
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theholymackerel
(journeyman)
01/01/04 12:20 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Formerly Viper]
Let me offer to ya this forums heart felt welcome.
get yer self a forum name and all confusion will dissapear.
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Blanchy
(journeyman)
01/01/04 09:53 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: theholymackerel]
Wow Viper,
You da man. Those *are* the skankiest prices anywhere. So how exactly do any of your wares help me make a better whiskey?
You know Viper, here in the United States, the Viper is a well known car alarm sold by one of our politicians. If I were you, I would shut him down. You can't have a head shop confused with a car alarm. A guy could want a crack pipe and end up with a $200.00 bill for a new car alarm.
Chuck
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jd121
(stranger)
01/02/04 12:05 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Blanchy]
"Oh contrare, I have copyrights."
I highly doubt that....
Seeing as the corperate name "Viper" is copyrighted by DEI (directed electronics) and has been for several years
Dont get your panties in a bunch.....I guess that stuff on your site is just making you paranoid.
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pothead
(newbie)
03/12/04 09:01 AM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: jd121]
LMFAO!!!
What Poitician is in charge of DEI ?
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1090
(stranger)
03/16/04 02:14 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: pothead]
Here in Canada we call people like VIPER
Shithead, perhaps you can copyright that 1090
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Blanchy
(member)
03/16/04 02:58 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: 1090]
The politician who owns DEI is Darryl Issa. He was famous recently because he bankrolled the recall election in California that ended up geting governor Davis replaced with Arnold Schwarznegger. It also happens to be Issa's voice on the Viper alarm.
Chuck
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pothead
(journeyman)
03/16/04 06:39 PM
Re: Is this simple just too simple?? [re: Blanchy]
That is pretty cool to know....I have been dealing DEI products for 6 years and did not know that.