Butyl Alchool

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:04 pm

Is Butyl alchool easy to find?

I tryed to buy it, but didn't found it..

Informations will be wellcome. Thanks

stoker · Post by **stoker** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:21 am

I've never seen it in shops?
why do you need it?

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:20 am

For my car, as a fuel.

I started with methanol, but I think that my experience didn't go well, so now I'm going to try with butanol.

But hard to find..

stoker · Post by **stoker** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:30 am

do you mean pure methanol/buthanol? or in biofuel?
why not ethanol, that's the alcohol between methanol and buthanol.

hard to find and propably expensive too

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:42 am

Yes, I used pure methanol..

Ethanol is also dificult to find and expensive. Butanol is the closest alchool to gasoline, in terms of power and car consumes..

hornedrhodent · Post by **hornedrhodent** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:14 am

escalavardo wrote:Ethanol is also dificult to find and expensive..

That's why we make it ourselves.

stoker · Post by **stoker** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:26 am

what do you think we do on these forums?

ethanol for fuel should be possible to make at $1/ liter

nice understatement though

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:40 am

well, I know you make ethanol.. I started to make a destiller for ethanol, but did not finished it yet.

Here in Portugal is forbidden to make ethanol at home, and buying it in the market is very expensive and dificult.

So, I'm looking for butanol..

With ethanol, you don't have problems with the remaing water?

hornedrhodent · Post by **hornedrhodent** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:30 am

="escalavardo" ]

Here in Portugal is forbidden to make ethanol at home, and buying it in the ma rket is very expensive and dificult.

As in the rest of the world except progressive places such as NZ ( they were the first to tell the US to piss off with their 'nookyoolar' subs).

So, I'm looking for butanol..

Rubbing alcohol - no sorry that's isopropyl alcohol. Which of the four carbon atoms do you want the 'OH' group to be attached?
But then there's really only two types - OH on an end carbon or a middle carbon.

With ethanol, you don't have problems with the remaing water?

Not for burning purposes but even 1% water is supposed to stuff up the process of producing biodiesel.

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:21 pm

Butyl alchool has this formula: C4H10O

Did not have the ideia that making ethanol was forbidden in the rest of the world.. living and learning..

Maybe I will try methanol again while I'm looking for Butanol.. this time I will add 1 liter of motorcycle oil, the one they use to mix with gasoline and see how it goes..

By the way (I did not finished my ethanol reactor, it's still in the begining, to be honest), to get 1 liter of Ethanol, how many Kg of corn do you need to distill??

Thanks

hornedrhodent · Post by **hornedrhodent** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:30 am

escalavardo wrote:

Maybe I will try methanol again while I'm looking for Butanol.. this time I will add 1 liter of motorcycle oil, the one they use to mix with gasoline and see how it goes..

Are you running a 2 stroke?

By the way (I did not finished my ethanol reactor, it's still in the begining, to be honest), to get 1 liter of Ethanol, how many Kg of corn do you need to distill?

Is corn cheaper than sugar where you are? For fuel flavour doesnt matter - go for the cheapest feedstock you can find.

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:54 am

Sorry, but I didn't understand you answer.. what is a 2 stroke??

Well, I didn't went to see the prices of things yet.. With sugar, just mix with a litle water and distille?

Sugar,or sweet corn, or whatever, what quantity do you need to make 1 liter alchool, in average??

In some websites that recommend Methanol, they say that the car must have changes... Do you know what kind of changes?

Thanks

stoker · Post by **stoker** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:04 am

With sugar, just mix with a litle water and distille?

not really

try to read homedistiller.org

sugar or sugar beets are generally the cheapest sources for ethanol production. and easiest too

hornedrhodent · Post by **hornedrhodent** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:25 am

escalavardo wrote:
Sorry, but I didn't understand you answer.. what is a 2 stroke??
2 cycle - motor mower, motorcycle, Dirty big supercharged diesel truck - but only some of them.

Well, I didn't went to see the prices of things yet.. With sugar, just mix with a litle water and distille?

better add a bit of yeast and wait a while.

Sugar,or sweet corn, or whatever, what quantity do you need to make 1 liter alchool, in average??

Read the homedistiller website - IIRC it's about 1kg ethanol for 2kg sugar.

Congratulations on your ability to communicate in a foreign language - I wouldn't have a clue if we were talking in Portugese. Sometimes I find it difficult with Australians.

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:01 am

Ok, I promisse that I will read a bit more of the forum.. The posts that I have read only teache to make rum, whiskey, vodka, etc.. Did not cross with one that teache to make alchool to burn as a fuel..

hornedrhodent, I drive a Honda Civic, 1.5 - 1992.. A piece of crap, but the only one I have now..

About motorcycles, only a Zundapp (the best in the world), that used to run on alcool..

2kg = 1liter?? UAU.. Here in Portugal, we make a drink called MEDRONHO, that looks like vodka, an is made with a barrie from a wild bush, and to make 1 liter we need almoust 15 kg..

My english is not that brilliant.. And you should learn portuguese, because is one of the oldest languages in the world, comes from Latim..

hornedrhodent · Post by **hornedrhodent** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:43 am

escalavardo

Ok, I promisse that I will read a bit more of the forum..

Not just the forum but the website hosting it. homedistiller.com

The posts that I have read only teache to make rum, whiskey, vodka, etc.. Did not cross with one that teache to make alchool to burn as a fuel..

The home site has a little bit of info - I found my way here by looking at biodiesel and not having a source of methanol thought to go the ethanol route - got sidetracked and started drinking it instead.

I drive a Honda Civic, 1.5 - 1992.. A piece of crap, but the only one I have now..

More modern than the 1986 toyota corona I drive.

About motorcycles, only a Zundapp (the best in the world), that used to run on alcool..

Only mentioned them in reference to 2 stroke motors - motorcycles are the work of the devil.

2kg = 1liter?? UAU.. Here in Portugal, we make a drink called MEDRONHO, that looks like vodka, an is made with a barrie from a wild bush, and to make 1 liter we need almoust 15 kg..

For that amount of effort it had better taste bloody good.

And you should learn portuguese, because is one of the oldest languages in the world, comes from Latim..

I'm too lazy - and I dont want lead poisoning - we know more now than the Romans did.

escalavardo · Post by **escalavardo** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:04 am

Isn´t methanol easy to find there? I also started to learn all I can about Biodiesel.

Was one of the first to make a Biodiesel forum, in Portugal..

Now I'm turning to alchool..

About Medronho, is better then vodka, does not kill your liver, and no hangover in the next day.. Usually is sold for EUR 25,00 a liter (AUD 43,00).

well, going to read a bitt more, and try to find my butanol..

About the romans, knowledge doesn't hurt...

and you have portuguese language near you: East Timor..

(also a large portuguese community in Australia)

rectifier · Post by **rectifier** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:38 pm

No oil in your civic's gas!! NO!
You'll at best kill your catalytic converter while blowing a long, smoky blue cloud, and at worst gum up everything from your carburator to tailpipe. 4 strokes do not need or like oil in their gas, that is only for 2 strokes.

Hey, I have a 1985 corolla

It's a good car. Very efficient, for a carburated engine!

pintoshine · Post by **pintoshine** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:37 am

this one seems to have lost interest. I have some information that might be helpful
The same feed stock we use for alcohol is also used to produce butanol.
The bacteria used is Clostridium acetobutylicum. This bacteria produces Butanol, acetone and ethanol in the proportions 6:3:1 using the method called ABE fermentation.
There have been some recent advances wich a two stage fermetation is being used. Clostridium butyricum first ferments the sugars and starches to butyric acid and then the Clostridium acetobutylicum converts the butyric acid to mostly butanol. The process has a couple patents associated to it. The output has clamed to have reached 94% efficiency and produces 12% butanol which is not hydrophilic and is easily seperated using gaseous adsorbtion.