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Third run, ready for some more knowledge

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:38 am
by Nat-X
My first run was a cracked corn/malted barley run that became my cleaning run :shifty:

My second run was a sweet feed/sugar run. Good results.

The wash I'm getting ready to run is a thin wash, first recipe above plus more water and sugar.

After I decide which way I want to go, I'll start preserving my yeast and using 25% backset.

Here are my questions:

How important is it to keep the wash clear when collecting it for the still?
I've been completely draining my grain, filtering through a fine sieve, then running. I'm sure the
cloudy stuff is mostly yeast?

Should I be siphoning off the clear layer and leaving the cloudy liquid/spent grain for my backset?

If I start the next fermentation immediately, I assume the yeast will grow again?

If I can't get to the next batch for a week, can I keep the yeast alive by periodically adding
in some sugar and aerating?

I obviously dont want to boil the backset because it would kill the yeast, so when do I add the backset,
when I would have otherwise added yeast?

Just soliciting an opinion here, but what's better, cracked corn (chicken feed) or freshly ground
deer corn?

Tried to malt some deer corn. Smelled like vomit after two days. Fail! :thumbdown:

I read up on thumpers. My still is 5 gallons. Does a 1 gallon thumper with a 32 oz charge of
tails sound about right?

So far, no headaches or other ill feelings. :thumbup:

Thanks!

Re: Third run, ready for some more knowledge

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:57 am
by Prairiepiss
Nat-X wrote:My first run was a cracked corn/malted barley run that became my cleaning run :shifty:

My second run was a sweet feed/sugar run. Good results.

The wash I'm getting ready to run is a thin wash, first recipe above plus more water and sugar.

After I decide which way I want to go, I'll start preserving my yeast and using 25% backset.

Here are my questions:

How important is it to keep the wash clear when collecting it for the still?
I've been completely draining my grain, filtering through a fine sieve, then running. I'm sure the
cloudy stuff is mostly yeast?
If you are going to be straining it. Do it into a secondary fermenter. That way the yeasties can settle to the bottom and clear even further. Then you can rack it straight to the boiler. Yeasties in the boiler can cause off tastes.

Should I be siphoning off the clear layer and leaving the cloudy liquid/spent grain for my backset?
I think your cornfused. The stuff left in your fermenter is trub not backset. Backset is the stuff left in your boiler after a run.
If I start the next fermentation immediately, I assume the yeast will grow again?
Yes if treated right.

If I can't get to the next batch for a week, can I keep the yeast alive by periodically adding
in some sugar and water.

I obviously dont want to boil the backset because it would kill the yeast, so when do I add the backset,
when I would have otherwise added yeast?
Again you have backset cornfused with trub or yeast cake. The backset will already be boiled. Now you want the backset and the rest of your next wash to be as close to the trub temp as you can before you add it back in the fermenter.

Just soliciting an opinion here, but what's better, cracked corn (chicken feed) or freshly ground
deer corn?
There's a difference? Not around here there isn't. Cracked corn is cracked corn. It's pretty much coming from the same place. Just packaged different.
Tried to malt some deer corn. Smelled like vomit after two days. Fail! :thumbdown:

I read up on thumpers. My still is 5 gallons. Does a 1 gallon thumper with a 32 oz charge of
tails sound about right?
2 gallon would be better.


So far, no headaches or other ill feelings. :thumbup:

Thanks!

Re: Third run, ready for some more knowledge

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:18 am
by Nat-X
Prairiepiss wrote:
Nat-X wrote:My first run was a cracked corn/malted barley run that became my cleaning run :shifty:

My second run was a sweet feed/sugar run. Good results.

The wash I'm getting ready to run is a thin wash, first recipe above plus more water and sugar.

After I decide which way I want to go, I'll start preserving my yeast and using 25% backset.

Here are my questions:

How important is it to keep the wash clear when collecting it for the still?
I've been completely draining my grain, filtering through a fine sieve, then running. I'm sure the
cloudy stuff is mostly yeast?
If you are going to be straining it. Do it into a secondary fermenter. That way the yeasties can settle to the bottom and clear even further. Then you can rack it straight to the boiler. Yeasties in the boiler can cause off tastes.

Should I be siphoning off the clear layer and leaving the cloudy liquid/spent grain for my backset?
I think your cornfused. The stuff left in your fermenter is trub not backset. Backset is the stuff left in your boiler after a run.. Ahhhhh
If I start the next fermentation immediately, I assume the yeast will grow again?
Yes if treated right. so the trub has the yeast I want to keep alive by what I said below? Aerate, water, and some sugar?

If I can't get to the next batch for a week, can I keep the yeast alive by periodically adding
in some sugar and water.

I obviously dont want to boil the backset because it would kill the yeast, so when do I add the backset,
when I would have otherwise added yeast?
Again you have backset cornfused with trub or yeast cake. The backset will already be boiled. Now you want the backset and the rest of your next wash to be as close to the trub temp as you can before you add it back in the fermenter.

Just soliciting an opinion here, but what's better, cracked corn (chicken feed) or freshly ground
deer corn?
There's a difference? Not around here there isn't. Cracked corn is cracked corn. It's pretty much coming from the same place. Just packaged different. Freshly ground coffee is better, so it follows...
Tried to malt some deer corn. Smelled like vomit after two days. Fail! :thumbdown:

I read up on thumpers. My still is 5 gallons. Does a 1 gallon thumper with a 32 oz charge of
tails sound about right?
2 gallon would be better.


So far, no headaches or other ill feelings. :thumbup:

Thanks!

Re: Third run, ready for some more knowledge

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:46 am
by Prairiepiss
If I can't get to the next batch for a week, can I keep the yeast alive by periodically adding in some sugar and water.
Cover it with water a little sugar would help get them active. So they can make some CO2 to give it a protective layer. When you rack it off. You leave the yeast cake or trub unprotected. So mold and who know what else can jump in an take over. Airating would make it even worse.

Best thing would be to put it into a smaller sanitized container. Then place it in the fridge. If you do this? You must let the yeast aclamate to the temp. So it should be pulled out well before you plan to start the next batch. Or you could throw them into shock.

Actually the best thing would be just start the next batch the same day. Have the wort ready when you rack it off. So you can pour it right in. Planning ahead making the wort the night befoe. So it has time to cool overnight and ready to go.

Sory my feed store I go to buys corn in bulk truck. And it either gets bagged uncracked or they crack it and bag it. So the bags are usually at most a week old. If your buying from someone like Tractor Supply who knows how long its been bagged. But corn isn't like coffee. Corn should keep farely well cracked or not. It's dried to higher percent then coffee. And coffers when ground will loose the oils you are trying to get out of them. Corn the part you want is dry solid mater. So unless its been stored wrong. In a wet condition. It should be fine either or. If it got wet you would know it. Mold and or it would be clumped together.