Reuse backset in sugar wash?

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Reuse backset in sugar wash?

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I have been making a sugar wash with 1 box of Lauren Lynn All Bran Cereal (generic Ingles brand) 8lbs sugar, distilled water, and 2 TBL spoons yeast for some time now. All of these have produced great results. I allways ferment in 5 gallon water bottles. The last time I racked 3 - 5 gallon bottles to my boiler, I decided to try to reuse what was left in the fermenter for another run. I added a lil water after racking just to make sure it didn't dry out. I then added 8lbs of sugar (after heating and melting sugar) (allowed to cool) to my fermenter then added the hydrated yeast. All seem to be fermenting great. I have read about people reusing backset when using corn, malt, molasis, etc. but not cereal. The cereal looks and smells fine after fermenting and it would be a waste to just through it out.

My questions are, has anyone tried this, will there be any off tastes or downfalls by doing this?

Either way, I will post my results when they are finished.
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I havent done it with cereal. but I've been doing it recently with everything. I'm kinda lazy so as soon as I finish running I mix the sugar in the hot backset then set it aside to chill out and add yeast later. I've had no upsets as of yet
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Well I'd have to say if you are chasing a neutral spirit reusing the stillage would be a mistake and work against your aims
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What crow said, backset is used to add flavor to things like Whiskey and Rum , with neutrals your looking for little to no taste.
Have a good smell of whats left in your boiler after your next run, do you really want to add that to your nice clean smelling neutral wash???
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Saltbush Bill wrote: Have a good smell of whats left in your boiler after your next run, do you really want to add that to your nice clean smelling neutral wash???
Maybe backset was not the proper word to use for this.
I didn't use what was left out of my boiler, I only used what was left in my fermenter after racking to my boiler. I reused the cereal I was fermenting on.

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The lees you are referring to, they will add some flavour definitely but if you want a consistent flavour then don't use them, stick with the same new yeast, otherwise you just create your own house yeast after a few gens, which is not a bad thing if you like the flavour! :thumbup:
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One of my fermenters is a 40gal Rubbermaid drum that I have never started over. I let it work til it settles and use a pail to dip off the top clear wash. Then ill add new wash and yeast to it. I'm sure soon I will have to empty it as the settlement builds up but it works too well to worry about.
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I use hot backset for the next generation of cornflakes whiskey which also uses sugar as well as cereal and it does increase the flavour.

It's the same with Rad's Allbran recipe.
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Odin has a vodka recipe that uses backset.

http://www.istill.eu/#!downloads/c1uwb
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UPDATE:
I made a total of 30 gallons when I started this experiment. 15 gallons were used in all new cereal and the other 15 gallons were used in the leftover lees from the previous ferment. These were made up in 5 gallon water bottles. Each water bottle had 8lbs of sugar and 2 TBL spoons of bakers yeast. After 8 days the bottles that used the left over lees were finished dry. The other bottles took another 4 days to ferment dry. After allowing them to clear I tasted each ferment to see if there were any difference in taste. All tasted the same, color was the same, and smell was the same.
I racked each to my boiler keeping the new cereal batch and the reused lees batch in separate runs. Each run produced the same amount of spirit, the tastes were the same and I could not tell any difference between the two.
I am going to keep reusing the lees and make another 15 gallons of new (for taste comparison) to see how many batches I can get before it starts producing any off tastes.
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