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Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:29 am
by cnk
Hiya
Can someone tell me exactly what backset is? Am I right in thinking that this is the lower end of the distillation run i.e about 20%abv?
I want to try Odin's cornflakes whisky, but want to make sure I am going to do it right.
Thank you.

Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:49 am
by OtisT
Simply put, Backset is what remains in the boiler after a stripping run. If you are making rum, the backset it is called Dunder.

Otis

Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:50 am
by fizzix
Backset is the liquid left over in the boiler pot after a distillation. For rum, it's called "dunder."
Backset is used to make a "sour."
For a real life application, check out UJSSM.

Hey Otis, you beat me!

Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:04 am
by cnk
Thank you Otis and fizzix. That makes it really clear now, but leads me to another question. If I save the backset from this run and then use it in the next fermentation, can I mix (blend?) the two whiskies or should I keep them separate?

Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:18 am
by Expat
You can mix/blend any results so long as you enjoy it

Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:47 am
by OtisT
+1 to the comment “if you like it, it’s good.”

That said, my personal preference is to use whiskey backset with a whiskey ferment, and rum dunder with a rum ferment, and rarely do I cross the two. Also, I will often use backset from one whiskey recipe with a different whiskey recipe ferment, though I may not mix the two recipies if the backset came from a funky recipe (high ester, peated, etc) and the new whiskey is something subtle.

Otis

Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:44 am
by Single Malt Yinzer
All of these are similar. Initially used to reduce pH for mashing/fermentation. The secondary effect on flavor was a bonus.
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Re: Backset - what exactly is it?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:09 pm
by Twisted Brick
You may also see backset referred to as 'setback' (sic), 'backins', and 'hotslops'.

Benefits of using backset is the ease of dissolving sugar, to create consistency taste-wise in successive batches, and to naturally lower pH into a more yeast-friendly range. Odin says backset is a source of valuable nutrients for the next ferment.

When using gluco for conversion in my home-malted wheat bourbons, I add a gallon (or so) of cold backset from the fridge to help drop my corn temp for my smaller grains and adjust the pH into ideal range for SEB-amyl. Some say to use 25% backset in their mashes, while others (me included) use way less (10-15%). This is because I have noticed that after 3 or 4 successive batches the backset pH gradually drops lower and lower, requiring I use less of it to sour the next batch.