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Flavouring with sound...

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Notice the Canadian/British spelling of flavour :D

So, I've been reading about ultrasonic/microwave usage to speed up the natural processes of flavouring/ageing etc. From an extreme layman's understanding, isn't that just introducing energy into a system? With that in mind, I had some stuff in my workshop to play with.

Some background. I work at a large crossdock facility with almost a hundred forklifts running 24/7, honking horns the whole time. The horns are one of our single most common failures, which takes an expensive piece of equipment out of service. I developed a simple temporary fix that utilizes a piezo electric buzzer, two 9V batteries, a capacitor, a magnetic mount and a switch that gives the operator a 100 dB horn to use. I call it the "High Output Noise Cannon", or the HONC. The enclosure is ABS pipe and end caps. Of course you can see I'm a builder of stills, as I had to paint part of it copper.
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So with a couple of buzzers on hand and an old laptop power supply...
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An equal weight of hot peppers into the test and control jar.
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The generated racket is annoyingly loud and the dog just hates it. Our gentle little dog escaped the house and headed west. I had to pack the test jar in cooler inside a cooler.
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Then wrap a sleeping bag around it.
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And then wrap an air mattress around it.
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And you can still hear it faintly. I don't know what the failure mode of these buzzers are, so it's going outside on a concrete pad and won't be left unattended. I'm starting with 40% spirits, as the thought of high octane ethanol kinda scares me, especially if there's a spark event. These things only draw 6 mA, so the heat input shouldn't be high. My theory is that the extreme high annoyance factor and 3 kHz/100 dB racket will scare the essential oils and flavonoids into solution.

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Maxx, your mind works in mysterious ways. I think someone else has done something similar - albeit, not quite as bizarre. Woodshed, I think it was, was using music speakers to boost the aging process - Led Zeppelin, or some such. I remember at least one of your other threads about using a wine keeper to make a vacuum powered filter for removing sediment.

Anyway, good on you. Let us know how it works out. I'm thinking that dog must have a skewed opinion of the human race.
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So what i get from this is your using sound waves to gently but violently shake the flavor out.? Sounds, pun intended, like it would work!
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One could try putting the brandy on the speaker cabinets for classical, bourbon with rock, white lightning for Blues, Absinth Electronica? ...
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Mozart distillery uses this too. I'm sure it helps along some breakdown that occurs more slowly otherwise. I'm not sure if it helps along chemical reactions efficiently enough to bother with.
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I've got results from 24 hours of blasting some samples with sound. Within 8 hours there was a colour change in both jars. The "sounded" sample on the right, was slightly darker.
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After 24 hours, there wasn't much change. The small amount of organics I used may have been the limiting factor. The sounded sample in this photo is on the left.
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In two test tubes the difference was barely detectable.
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But the interesting thing is, the sound tempered sample was much stronger with the taste of hot peppers than the non-blasted. I'm only one taster, so I had my patient/long suffering/angel of a wife give me three more samples in a blind test. I was able to identify correctly all samples. Now, this doesn't mean a hill of beans really. I can't say for certain that the chopped and mixed peppers were of equal potency even though I weighed them out carefully. All I can say is that this deserves a closer look in my workshop.
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Yea, been aging with headphones on barrels for a few months now. Compared to the musically deprived barrels there is a significant increase in color and taste of over the same period.
I just put the laptop on shuffle and let her run all night. Have 2,000+ songs. SC is referring to my thoughts on doing sonically aged specialty runs. Spirits aged with the influence of a certain artist or genre.
Ultimately I doubt it matters what music you play. That thought process is all about marketing.
I do have a Black Sabbath Bentfinger Bourbon I just started. All Sabbath, All night long.
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woodshed wrote:Yea, been aging with headphones on barrels for a few months now. Compared to the musically deprived barrels there is a significant increase in color and taste of over the same period.
I just put the laptop on shuffle and let her run all night. Have 2,000+ songs. SC is referring to my thoughts on doing sonically aged specialty runs. Spirits aged with the influence of a certain artist or genre.
Ultimately I doubt it matters what music you play. That thought process is all about marketing.
I do have a Black Sabbath Bentfinger Bourbon I just started. All Sabbath, All night long.
Me thinks you're making fun of me :lol:

I'm okay with that. I'm "still" going to try some further experiments.
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Not at all. I'm serious. I started a thread here a few months ago along the same lines. Run the pod on the Bentfinger to supply the Sabbath. Every thing else gets the laptop. Barrels make great soundboards.
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woodshed wrote:Not at all. I'm serious. I started a thread here a few months ago along the same lines. Run the pod on the Bentfinger to supply the Sabbath. Every thing else gets the laptop. Barrels make great soundboards.
Then I'm guessing that my single note piezo buzzer will extract single notes of flavour from whatever is in the jar. Either that or the horrible racket that it makes will just scare the bejeebus out of the organics.
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We are headed in the same direction on different paths. I'm just a music junkie so I went this direction. Like I said happy. I think your methods show a lot of promise. Love the ingenuity.
Seems to me the only drawback to your method is the noise. Doubt a single note is an issue but who knows. Love walking into the barrel room in the morning and hearing Dimebag ripping a solo.
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Anything that moves the saturated layer away from the wood will help infuse flavor quicker. My guess is that a third jar that is shaken once a day will color up somewhere between the undisturbed jar and the sound jar.

A jar in the boot of your cab driver mate's taxi might color up quickest of all, but get a cab driver that likes your favorite music and you might get your ultimate tipple.
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Seems to me it has to do more with the vibration that is created. If a person had an old finishing sander and built a larger platform they could probably also get some interesting results especially if they could rotate the product during the process.
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I think blaring organ music would do the job pretty well.
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MDH wrote:I think blaring organ music would do the job pretty well.
Not sure, see a lot of church members sleeping during the organ music! :sarcasm:
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Vibrations? Gives me some ideas, some I won't mention. The ones I can,
Car buffer,
Jumping jack compactor( maybe a little overkill)
Sawzall,
Dual action sander. Seems like the more oscillations the better?
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I left the two jars sit for the past six days because of other priorities. I got around to straining the swarf and bottling them today. I can see a clear difference in the peppers from the two jars, can you? I diluted to 30% for a nice sipping pepper vodka.
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Last year I made homemade vanilla extract for Christmas gifts. I used store bought vodka and vanilla beans and eight months of shaking, examining observing and tasting. My latest experiments got me thinking. So, version two is in the can/cooler.

I really want to use my azeotropic special solution for extraction. I am quite uncomfortable with putting an electrical device with an unknown failure mode into a volatile liquid. I've come up with a protected environment that I call the Accoustical Bullet Of Flavour Extraction Method, ABOFEM. I cut a hole in a Mason jar lid that was a slip fit for a SS egg holder. I had cut the bottom stand off in another project.
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Then another lid and the screw cap seals everything up vapour and liquid tight. The idea is to transmit sound vibrations directly to the medium with the immersed bullet.
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The bullet is kinda of visible here.
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So, I still have some unused vanilla beans. 38 grams to be exact. 19 grams in the test and 19 grams in the control jar. I made a cut through every bean to aid the process.
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And in the sunlight, both jars are clear and pristine. Standby.
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Tracking this thread. Interesting DIY stuff.
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A small setback in the sound extraction experiment. After forty hours I pulled the test jar out of it's acoustic cave and was surprised and just a little disappointed to see little change in the two samples. I wanted to see a difference, but alas was unable to fool myself. So, what went wrong? The "bullet" quite dampened the horrific racket these buzzers can put our. Why didn't I see/hear that? Well, my window of opportunity for testing the sound output is very limited to when my wife takes the dog out for a walk.

On to version 3.00
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I still want to try using 95%. So, I need to keep this electrical device well away from volatiles. Behold, "The Engine Of Sound". Or commonly known as TEOS.
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Unrestricted and focused. Back to the test process...
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There is actually some legitimate science to using vibrations to age spirits.
Check out Odin's thread from 06 or 09 about his experiment with a Jewelry Cleaner.
It did change the spirit for the better.
I love this though!! I once realized when I made my own wine that I could degas my 5 gallon carboy using my hand pump brake bleeder haha
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Interesting, I used to run biodiesel through an ultrasound to heat it before it hit the reactor to up the heat, I think your methods have promise!

There was a bloke on here talking about the theory of microwave someplace I was reading, taking it to a molecular level and then postulating we are all just energy, atoms, and little wee bits zinging about interacting with other little wee bits. I thought he was very interesting as it is a theory I have heard of sometime ago but never applied it to making hooch.

So I guess if I were to use this fellows theory then the music would be imparting energies to the spirit that then take on some form of it and incorperate it into itself. I like the idea of Sabbath rather than "IF I SPEAK AT ONE CONSTANT VOLUME AT ONE CONSTANT PITCH
AT ONE CONSTANT RHYTHM RIGHT INTO YOUR EAR, YOU STILL WON'T HEAR"

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So, it''s been four weeks of blasting a small jar with sound to test accelerated flavour extraction. It took a while, but the results are slowly becoming evident. Vanilla extracts are a tough mistress. To do it properly, takes lots of time. Really not a problem if you are the personality type to plan ahead. Unfortunately, I don't always fall into that category.

Here's the results so far.
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The really distinctive thing is the odour. The sounded jar is very much stronger in vanilla than the control jar. The experiment continues...
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Neat! I think some pink Sweet Feed would be good. I'm to blast a gallon with Pink Floyd.

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