Rum molasses

[policar]

Hi, I'm sorry for the same stupid questions about rum molasses, but as usual, where I live we can't find any "good" molasses to begin with. I found this one, has anyone else been using this?

https://deli-berlin.com/en/produkt/vita ... 2-x-680-g/

It says it has about 51.8g of sugar in 100g...

I would dilute it (around 5kg) with 25L of water and add some brown sugar to make a rum wash?

Would this be somewhat ok?

I'm sry, thanks for the help!

[IMALOSERSCUMBAG]

I've been using Golden Barrel for a while now.

https://www.goldenbarrel.com/product/5-gallon-pail/

[policar]

I've been using Golden Barrel for a while now.

https://www.goldenbarrel.com/product/5-gallon-pail/

Thanks, but i cant get that here... (EU)

[Rum Agol]

Thats very expensive molasses- have you tried looking at horse molasses on Amazon. I can get 25L in the uk for about £35 and 5L for £10. Another alternative would be bulk treacle from bakery suppliers or even raw demerara sugar. To answer your original question yes that would make a rum wash.

[8Ball]

Cheaper to buy a good bottle than to make it at that price.

[NZChris]

All of my rum has been made using molasses from farm supply outlets. I don't know where you are, but a quick Google found me suppliers across the UK that sell molasses. Make sure you get sugar cane molasses, not beet.

[Saltbush Bill]

where I live we can't find any "good" molasses to begin with.

What makes you think it's no good.....it's at least 51% sugar and seems preservative free from what I read.
It's just expensive.

[policar]

This is the only one I can find here and I'm not kidding, searched everywhere. Also this is a English link just for the reference. I get it for around 7€/680g, which is still expensive, but worth the rum in my opinion.

Thank you to everyone for the help.

[NZChris]

I find it hard to believe that that is all you can find in the whole of the UK. Maybe your search is too restrictive? What are you searching for?

[policar]

I find it hard to believe that that is all you can find in the whole of the UK. Maybe your search is too restrictive? What are you searching for?

I'm not from the UK, I just put an English link so everyone can read it. I'm from Slovenija.

[NZChris]

Rum is a great project if you like rum and are lucky enough to have cheap cane molasses available, but if you don't, it's probably a better use of your time to make products from botanicals that you do have locally.

I still suggest you contact as many animal feed suppliers as you can find, as they are the most likely suppliers of cane molasses in any country.

[Saltbush Bill]

From what I've seen and read around the forums beet molasses is far more common in parts of Europe. From most reports it makes some horrible Rum, so not worth the effort.
Best thing I can suggest is that if you can get some good cane molasses even if it's a bit costly......you can then add some extra sugar to the mix to stretch the mollases.
There are recipes on the forum that do that exact thing.

[policar]

Rum is a great project if you like rum and are lucky enough to have cheap cane molasses available, but if you don't, it's probably a better use of your time to make products from botanicals that you do have locally.

I still suggest you contact as many animal feed suppliers as you can find, as they are the most likely suppliers of cane molasses in any country.

Thanks, I did and do a lot of crafts, so I would love to step up and make some Rum. I will just go ahead and buy that molasses, to be completely honest i haven't even drunk/drank/drunken/drinken (can't find the proper word) commercial rums... But thanks for the help.

[policar]

From what I've seen and read around the forums beet molasses is far more common in parts of Europe. From most reports it makes some horrible Rum, so not worth the effort.
Best thing I can suggest is that if you can get some good cane molasses even if it's a bit costly......you can then add some extra sugar to the mix to stretch the mollases.
There are recipes on the forum that do that exact thing.

Yes i know, that's why I'm searching strictly for sugar cane molasses. Also, i know ratios are hard to recommend because of sugar and all that, but its around 5kg molasses for about 25L lf water?

[Rum Agol]

5kg will give you a wash of around 6% ABV in 25L and should make a flavoursome rum ( use a tried and true recipe ).you could add some demerara sugar to boost up the ABV if you want.

[Saltbush Bill]

Don't worry about ratios to begin with......just follow tried and tested recipes.
Most mollases will be around 48% give or take a few %.
Once you have some experience you have plenty of time to play with ratios.

[NZChris]

I normally aim for around an 8% ABV in my rum wash. Working backwards, using the 51.8g/100g, I arrive at 14 cans for a 30l wash, 168 Euros.

[policar]

Thank you guys for the feedback, I really appreciate everyone of you, I will go ahead and make something... I was also thinking about dunder, basically if i have any other "mash", like for instance, I'm making plum brandy, If I save the backset of that, I could theoretically pull the same thing like with the dunder? I'm sry for my poor terminology, but I hope you get the point.

Thanks!

[IMALOSERSCUMBAG]

Re-using dunder is a must when it comes to rum. Google Jamaican Rum Pit. Tons of info on dunder and such. I have two 5 gallon buckets sitting out all summer. Pert near ready for my fall rum runs.

[Saltbush Bill]

Re-using dunder is a must when it comes to rum

It helps long term with flavour and ph , but its not really a must , if you have it use it.....if you dont then go ahead and make some rum anyway. Use enough molasses and it will gave plenty of flavour regardless.

[IMALOSERSCUMBAG]

if you dont then go ahead and make some rum anyway

I agree. We need to start somewhere. I just can't imagine not using it after your first run. The way it evolves is the best part. One great advantage I see is using less molasses and getting better flavors.

[jonnys_spirit]

Thank you guys for the feedback, I really appreciate everyone of you, I will go ahead and make something... I was also thinking about dunder, basically if i have any other "mash", like for instance, I'm making plum brandy, If I save the backset of that, I could theoretically pull the same thing like with the dunder? I'm sry for my poor terminology, but I hope you get the point.

Thanks!

+1 on going ahead without dunder.

For a rum I'd use rum dunder (not a different backset). If you don't have any yet you will after your first strip run If you do three ferment/strips to do a spirit run 2/3 will have used rum dunder and you can save some dunder from there for experiments and future runs. You could also top up your spirit run with fresh wash or dunder if you like

Cheers!
-j

[policar]

Thanks guys for the feedback! My batch of beer has completed, so know that I have my fermenter free, I will go and get that molasses ASAP, so the hype still going

[Yummyrum]

if you dont then go ahead and make some rum anyway

I agree. We need to start somewhere. I just can't imagine not using it after your first run. The way it evolves is the best part. One great advantage I see is using less molasses and getting better flavors.

Be careful how far you push that concept .
You never want to use more than 10% Dunder in a Rum wash or you will have issues .
Sure …. First wash using it (Dunder) , you might get away with 15-20% , but after that , cut it back .

Rum flavour essentially comes from fermenting Molasses . If you hold back on the molasses , you hold back on the Rum flavour in my opinion .Personally , I can’t say I have seen significant changes due to Dunder addition . ….although I always use it out of habit .

[IMALOSERSCUMBAG]

if you dont then go ahead and make some rum anyway

I agree. We need to start somewhere. I just can't imagine not using it after your first run. The way it evolves is the best part. One great advantage I see is using less molasses and getting better flavors.

Be careful how far you push that concept .
You never want to use more than 10% Dunder in a Rum wash or you will have issues .
Sure …. First wash using it (Dunder) , you might get away with 15-20% , but after that , cut it back .

Rum flavour essentially comes from fermenting Molasses . If you hold back on the molasses , you hold back on the Rum flavour in my opinion .Personally , I can’t say I have seen significant changes due to Dunder addition . ….although I always use it out of habit .

I would run 3-4 runs dumping 5 gallons into my 30 gallon barrel. Then I would make a run with no dunder and repeat the process. I came up with it by reading something similar to what you said. Sounds like we're not too far off. I like to experiment. Sometimes it is wow, that's good. Other times not so good.

[MartinCash]

Have you thought of trying to source some panela? It might be cheaper and easier to find (certainly easier to ship), and by most accounts it makes a good light rum.

I haven't tried myself, so I can't confirm. Can anyone who has?

[Saltbush Bill]

Then I would make a run with no dunder and repeat the process.

Care to explain to us all what the benifit is of this theory that you have come up with?
Would it not be easier to just use the RIGHT AMOUNT of dunder on each generation ?
Ive done upward of 90 generations on some things without ever having to leave out the dunder and starting again.

[8Ball]

Have you thought of trying to source some panela? It might be cheaper and easier to find (certainly easier to ship), and by most accounts it makes a good light rum.

I haven't tried myself, so I can't confirm. Can anyone who has?

Panela alone makes an excellent rum. I’ve used a mix of feed molasses (blackstrap) and panela (M&P) also with good results. Had a glass of 18 month old M&P rum over ice last night that I enjoyed.

[bluefish_dist]

Heck, I have made white rum with c&h sugar. Molasses based rums have more funk and flavor, but if it’s expensive, start with cane sugar and a little molasses. Then as you get more experience on what you want, then move to the expensive 100% molasses rums.

[policar]

Have you thought of trying to source some panela? It might be cheaper and easier to find (certainly easier to ship), and by most accounts it makes a good light rum.

I haven't tried myself, so I can't confirm. Can anyone who has?

Panela alone makes an excellent rum. I’ve used a mix of feed molasses (blackstrap) and panela (M&P) also with good results. Had a glass of 18 month old M&P rum over ice last night that I enjoyed.

Thanks for the reply, I've been looking for panela but I can't seem to find it here... No biggie, I just got a better contact for that molasses, I think I will get it a lot cheaper.