I titled it as such, because it isn't exactly quick and easy, but it works - and it is fast!
For reference, living in Southern Africa, at 1500m ASL - day time temps are hot - so you ferment with what you got. Day time temps in the medium 30°C's (normally around 32 - 36) - indoor temps regularly in the high 20°s - but it gets cool at night - down to around 16 - 20°C
i also struggle to get the malt to work properly - very poor conversion rates - and i suspect that some of this is a result of the malts not being the freshest.
I have reverted to using 2 stage liquid enzymes regardless
And, sometimes you can read too much into what others are doing. adding this, that, the kitchen sink etc.
So i went back to my own personal tried and trusted recipe without any PH up, down, hardner, softner, DAP, Gypsum, etc.
This recipe is a result of the kit i have - pot sizes, fermenter sizes and boiler size. - it was tailored for my setup - hence the slightly unorthodox use of some dextrose in a mostly AG mash.
I normally do 3 of these in a row - starting a mash each day - this gives me 3 x boiler charges for stripping runs from the primary and 4 x boiler charges from the sugarheads - so yes, you need to clear your schedule for a week or so of mashing, fermenting, stripping, fermenting again, stripping again and then doing the spirit runs!
This process takes almost a full day. I typically start around noon, and pitch the yeast the next day around noon. Not particularly labour intensive, but it does take time to do it right.
The grain bill
* 6 KG pale malt
* 1 KG Caramel Malt
* 1 KG Oatmeal (jungle oats, quaker oats, etc.)
Other stuff
* 2 KG dextrose (can use sugar, but dextrose is flavourless)
* 1 TBSP Distillers yeast (tolerance of 17 - 19% ABV)
* then for the sugar heads
* 7.5 KG sugar
The kit
* 1 x blender
* 1 x 30 L pot
* 1 x 8 - 10 L pot
* 1 x 50L Fermenter
* 1 x Paint stir stick and drill
The yield
* 28 liters (give or take) of wash at around 9.2% ABV on primary fermentation
* 30 - 35 litres on sugarheads
The process
- grind your grain into a rough flour - i use this method - viewtopic.php?f=34&t=85667
- Bring 21 liters of water up to strike temp (use a calculator)
- while waiting for the water to come up to temp, bring 4 L of water to almost boil and put in the oats - stir a lot and when it is a thick gloopy consistency, put the lid on and turn off the heat
- when you are at strike temp, slowly add the grains while stirring vigorously - break up the dough balls.
- add in the oatmeal - stir in well.
- add the enzymes (i use recommended dose x 2)
- you should now have a 30L pot filled to the brim (about 1cm shy)
- put the lid on Cover it with blankets and leave it for 2 - 3 hours - the instructions say 30 minutes - ignore it - leave it longer.
- after 2 - 3 hours - remove blankets and start stirring mash often until temp is down to target for next enzyme dosage. Again, i use recommended dose x 2
- wrap with blankets, and leave it overnight.
- in the morning open it up, take an SG reading - should be around the 1.08 mark - this is too high, and there isn't enough liquid yet.
- move it over to a 50 Liter Fermenter
- fully dissolve 2 KG dextrose (or sugar if you don't mind it) into 5 L of water and add to fermenter.
- top up the fermenter to the 42 - 45 L mark - leave about 7 - 10 cm head space
- as it cools to yeast temp, it will settle giving you opportunity to take final OG reading which should now be around 1.064
- prepare the yeast - and pitch it when in the right temp range
- mix the blazes out of it with the paint stick
- put the lid on and wait - Each time i do this - it comes out at 0.994 FG - in about 3 - 4 days depending on temp
- when finished, rack off the liquid, squeeze the grains - and put the liquids straight into the boiler. (I use propane, so burning not an issue for me)
- FOR THE SUGAR HEADS
- take the squeezed grains, and put them BACK into the same fermenter (do not clean it!!!!!)
- dissolve the 7.5 KGs sugar fully, and when cooled to yeast temp, add to fermenter. IMPORTANT TO COOL TO YEAST TEMP - we are not adding anymore yeast - there is enough left in the grains you put back.
- add water to 42 - 45L mark
- OG will be abound 1.060 - 1.070
- no need to add yeast - it will take off in 2 - 3 hours and be done in about 3 - 4 days
then of course - the fun - you have to start playing with the still - and this method with 3 mashes, gives me 7 days of stripping fun and 2 days of spirit fun and nets me a lot of booze
about 9 Litres of primary at 62% ABV
and
about 10 - 11 litres of secondary at 62% ABV
i take some of it and quick age with chips, but take the rest and add oak staves etc.
Enjoy!
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Re: Quick fermenting Whisky bill
This makes me feel as though I'm not putting in near enough time with my hobby. I try to dedicate 2 days a week, that's cooking fresh a mash one afternoon after work during the week and stripping with the bigger still on one of the weekend days and some weeks i dedicate a 3rd day for sprit runs
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If you use HT enzymes try mashing with regular maize meal. Much cheaper in RSA than barley malt. To get a more Scoths wiskey add your oats and a bit of speciality malts. Myself rather add late runnings from a ESB or porter. But i enjoy straight maize meal. Impala is a bit more expensive but well worth it. I use Booners casual corn method an do 20kg meal in 80lt water... and i press...
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Setsumi
Been thinking about that. Will have to give it a go on the grain bill. Might be tempted to put in a KG or dark malt to pump up the flavour a bit.
Have you tried cattle feed (plain mielies)?
Currently fermenting a sweet corn (grown in my garden) - picked husked chopped, boiled etc. with grain and oatmeal to complete the bill. Will post that one when fermentation complete.
@CornCracker - I am fortunate that i work from home full time, (IT), so can spend some time each day in between tasks to pay attention to my mashes etc. And SWAMBO helps with tasks (She calls them my mad scientist experiments) So no feeling in adequate
Been thinking about that. Will have to give it a go on the grain bill. Might be tempted to put in a KG or dark malt to pump up the flavour a bit.
Have you tried cattle feed (plain mielies)?
Currently fermenting a sweet corn (grown in my garden) - picked husked chopped, boiled etc. with grain and oatmeal to complete the bill. Will post that one when fermentation complete.
@CornCracker - I am fortunate that i work from home full time, (IT), so can spend some time each day in between tasks to pay attention to my mashes etc. And SWAMBO helps with tasks (She calls them my mad scientist experiments) So no feeling in adequate
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Re: Quick fermenting Whisky bill
Yes, i do quite a lot of maize meal from a rural mill. But i do not like meal from large cattle feed suppliers, it taste like "n stoor".... i think it is the "beroking"... chemicals to keep rodents and insects at bay. But if you can get fresh milled mielies from a rural mill you will have more flavour because it contains the germ that makes it more sweeter IMO.EricTheRed wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:38 am Setsumi
Been thinking about that. Will have to give it a go on the grain bill. Might be tempted to put in a KG or dark malt to pump up the flavour a bit.
Have you tried cattle feed (plain mielies)?
Currently fermenting a sweet corn (grown in my garden) - picked husked chopped, boiled etc. with grain and oatmeal to complete the bill. Will post that one when fermentation complete.
@CornCracker - I am fortunate that i work from home full time, (IT), so can spend some time each day in between tasks to pay attention to my mashes etc. And SWAMBO helps with tasks (She calls them my mad scientist experiments) So no feeling in adequate
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