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NormandieStill
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Looking at my ageing stock yesterday it occurred to me to try some (not had much time for drinking recently). A fair bit of it was experimental (I had a sugarhead + YLAY wheat flour blend that I refluxed for neutral but which retained a lot more flavour than expected so the not-so-neutral stuff went on oak), but there were a few good ones including a chocolate bourbon (HBB with Chocolate Malt substituted for the Honey malt) and my first ever whisky which was a wheat and oat converted with HT enzymes, a bottle of which had been my go-to sipper for some time.

The oldest blend dated from late 2021 so I was looking forward to some interesting stuff.

First up the chocolate bourbon. It smelled good, a faint chocolate milkshake note on the nose, sweetness on the palate, with just a hint of the vanilla + chocolate milkshake that I was hoping for, followed by a fairly heavy dose of bitter tannins. This was always an outlier as I buggered up the stripping runs due to a cracked alcometer so I had run them too far and the resulting blend was very low proof. This stuff is at about 45% now in the jar and hasn't been proofed down at all.

Secondly, the wheat and oat. I had split the batch in two, with one half going on charred oak, and the other on medium toasted oak with no char. The char came good first, but after about a year, the no char was more complex. Firstly, the nose was headsy as hell. I would cut way harder now. That's good... I'm learning! :wink: But on the tongue there were those bitter tannins again. Between the tannins and the solvents they are undrinkable. Both of them, and there's no real discernable difference between them.

Thirdly, the YLAY / sugarhead left-overs. Nah. Just nah. I don't even know what it is, but there's just something off. Maybe some concentrated tails. Maybe in didn't sit well with what I ate for dinner. But nah!

Finally, the best of the bunch remains an oak tea that is a by-product of trying to pre-age some oak for using with apple brandy. I've soaked some oak sticks in neutral, changing out the neutral every 3 months or so. The resulting blend is very whisky-like and complex although still lacking mouthfeel and something beyond "wood". It's got a similar tannic aftertaste to the first two above, but without the intensity.

In conclusion, when ageing small amounts of spirits in fresh oak, you do need to watch for over-oaking. The above were sat in glass on french oak sticks of 2cm in section and cut to lengths to give an equivalent of 100cm²/ litre of surface area which is roughly equivalent to a 200 litre barrel. The oak may not have been adequately aged. It's from an oak that was growing in the garden and while it had spent many years outside, it wasn't split first so the heartwood could easily have hung on to a lot of tannin.

The big question being what to do with the over-oaked booze? I did use a jar of the chocolate bourbon to make Punkin's muck and that went down well, but I don't recall trying it again first. My feeling is either used as a base for a strongly flavoured sweet liqueur, or dumped in with the all feints run that I'll hopefully attack soon and see what comes out.
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Re: Too long

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Let it mellow with plenty of air space in the aging vessel.
Add new make to it
Add neutral to it

Running it with faints is last option in my book
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I'm with Swedish Pride on this one, blend some nice tight cut white dog into it and let it sit to mellow out.
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I'll be a contrarian on this one.

In my opinion adding good spirit to bad spirit is more likely to ruin the good stuff than fix the bad stuff. I would just chalk it up to experience and toss it in the all feints carboy.
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I’m with Higgins on this. Chalk it up to experience, then get some seasoned oak and make more booze.
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NormandieStill wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 3:06 am The big question being what to do with the over-oaked booze?
I sometimes watch this channel, which is kind of silly. They have a small distillery in Austin and re-distilled some whisky that had off flavors.



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If you believe the sharpness is truly tannins, there are drops and wands now that “claim” to remove tannins (and sulfites etc) from wine. I had some really tannic spirit I pulled out of a mini barrel and was going to try it, but ended up redistilling and using for something else.

Here’s a link to a Bunch on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=wine+tannin ... c8j4pu55_b

PS: no idea if they work, but cheap enough to try imo.
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Don't be in too much of a hurry to do something to it, it's only three years old. If it's still harsh in another three years, think about blending it with some suitable new make.
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You could take a small sample and "milk wash" it to see if removing the tannins will mellow the flavor. Easy to do and it can be done on a small volume without committing the full batch.
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