Movement to legalize in the USA

nutmg1 · Post by **nutmg1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:10 pm

Is there anyone organizing to legalize distilling in the US? Writing to my congressman isn't really going to make a difference.

As-Ol-Joe · Post by **As-Ol-Joe** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:29 pm

I don't think I want to write a letter to my congressman about legalizing home distilling.

Let's see:
Name+Address= Busted
Sounds like a losing proposition.

nutmg1 · Post by **nutmg1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:34 pm

I agree Joe,

There are numerous organizations that try to get Pot legalized. I'm wondering if there are any out there trying to get distilling legalized.

It seems silly that in my city Pot under an OZ is now legal but I can't boil some wash.

Post by **Dnderhead** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:41 pm

Some buddy in off topic mention a site but it did not git vary fare

nutmg1 · Post by **nutmg1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:49 pm

Thanks Dunderhead,

It just makes no sense that in my city you can have in your possession an illegal substance that's illegal to grow.

But it’s illegal to make a substance that's totally legal.

Of course I know I’m preaching to the choir here.

Since the other thing has been on the ballot here I assumed that there was something similar on the distilling front.

I'll search

Post by **Dnderhead** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:24 pm

when there making 1.9mil I thank they buy top shelf do you really
believe they CARE about someone making peanuts ? this is getting to much like politics

nutmg1 · Post by **nutmg1** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:34 pm

I see what your saying.

I'll leave it alone. If there is an organization out there I would love to support it.

I don't need to debate it here. For the most part we obviously all agree.

As-Ol-Joe · Post by **As-Ol-Joe** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:14 pm

If there is an organization out there, I would support it.

Like Dnder said ther was a post in the off-topic forum about a bill in congress. Researching the bill number, I didn't find anything.

trthskr4 · Post by **trthskr4** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:09 am

According to a book I am reading "Moonshine" by Mathew somebody, there was a bill introduced for this purpose in 2001 but it got slapped down pretty hard and according to him the movement is regaining momentum. Someone could get their congressman to stop by and demonstrate some end product "alot of product" take some pictures by the still and use them for blackmale maybe. Invite some strippers over, or a goat. Maybe that would lite a fire under something other than a keg.

Post by **HookLine** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:48 am

trthskr4 wrote:Invite some strippers over, or a goat.

Uh oh, more goat loving.

trthskr4 · Post by **trthskr4** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:15 am

Hookline, would you say it's time to move to sheep?

Man I'm glad that I followed those links and read through those threads, I needed a good laugh today. Crap that's gonna be rolling around in my brain all day.

Post by **Uncle Jesse** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:09 am

it's not the morality of alcohol which is in question here. it's tax revenues.

the government couldn't care less if you drink yourself into oblivion...but you gotta pay to play.

zymos · Post by **zymos** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:53 pm

Yet I can make a couple hundred gallons of beer and wine legally at home, and they don't get a cent of taxes from that.

And speaking of tax, there also the disparity between excise tax on beer, wine under %14 alcohol, wine over %14 alcohol, and spirits-doesn't really make sense.

Not that I expect the Govt to behave logically or anything...

Post by **rad14701** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:04 pm

In most parts of the US you can legally produce up to 400 gallons of just about any fermentable concoction and have it considered a hobby as long as it is for personal consumption... Unfortunately, we can't distill it down (to optimize storage space - yeah, that's it) without going fully "legal", meaning full disclosure for taxation purposes, even if it is for personal consumption...

It's just wrong, but they say that they're protecting us from ourselves... Ummm... My days of needing a babysitter passed long ago... I need burped...!!!

Post by **Husker** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:26 pm

rad14701 wrote:My days of needing a babysitter passed long ago... I need burped...!!!

I could use a little suckle on the source of the burp, myself

H.

Old_Blue · Post by **Old_Blue** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:31 pm

A lot is due to ignorance and uninformed perception (I think I just repeated a redundancy) including lawmakers.

Most folks think you "make" alcohol when you distill but not when you brew. Never figured that one out. 5 gallon of beer is OK as long as all the ingredients are mixed but it is a grave offense if the ingredients are ever separate? But there is the tax issue mentioned also. Follow the money...

mikeac · Post by **mikeac** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:54 pm

The tax issue would be the same for beer and wine as it would be for spirits wouldn't it? It does seem rather odd they make such a big deal about "untaxed liquor" when it is spirits, but allow specialized shops for beer and wine.

zymos · Post by **zymos** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:17 pm

That's why it seems irrational to me that distilled spirits are treated differently...

mikeac · Post by **mikeac** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:12 pm

zymos wrote:That's why it seems irrational to me that distilled spirits are treated differently...

And since I am a rational person I have decided to ignore this particular law

. After chatting with my local home brew store owner who carries a few distilling accessories, he seems to think that judging from the number of HD in my city, the local law enforcement officers seem to be at least a little rational too

.

Post by **MisterSteve124** » Sun May 11, 2008 5:33 pm

mikeac wrote:The tax issue would be the same for beer and wine as it would be for spirits wouldn't it? It does seem rather odd they make such a big deal about "untaxed liquor" when it is spirits, but allow specialized shops for beer and wine.

Unfortunately i was just thinking the same thing, but I just read that spirits are taxed much more than beer and wine. They are only taxed a few cents but liquor is taxed something like 2 dollars. But shouldn't we atleast be able to obtain a permit or something to be able to distill for consuption as long as we pay taxes for what we make or something?

Post by **Husker** » Sun May 11, 2008 5:58 pm

We should be able to make our OWN without taxation.

We are taking a legal tax free product, and simply making it more economical for storage purposes.

H.

Post by **MisterSteve124** » Mon May 12, 2008 12:18 pm

I agree but I doubt we could get them to agree to that.

Post by **Husker** » Mon May 12, 2008 12:29 pm

Why,

Simply use NZ as the example. They also tax booze "sold", but changed the laws to allow home production for NON commercial consumption.

The tax revenue that they receive actually WENT UP. The "tax loss" argument is a simple red-herring argument.

Put it this way, how big of a percentage of the sheeple actually produce their own beer/wine? Not many. I would bet that less than 1% of the beer drank in this country is home brewed. The tax loss (if there ever was one), was simply a drop in the bucket.

Remember folks, we are NOT doing what 99% of the people would be doing, even if it were legal. Yes, if it were legal, then there would be a larger group doing this, but as it is (and as it will be once we DO get this legal), the home hobby distiller is a very rare animal (compared with the number of people who drink spirits). Most people are simply too busy watching "american idol", or playing WoW, or other such trash, as to worry about making their own hooch.

H.

Post by **Dnderhead** » Mon May 12, 2008 12:57 pm

one of the problems you cant sign a partisan without exposing oneself, "the man" would have a good list of suspect

wineo · Post by **wineo** » Mon May 12, 2008 1:04 pm

Although it would be nice to be legal,I wouldnt want my name on one of those petitions.
I would rather be a outlaw!Hell,I come from a long line of them anyway.

trthskr4 · Post by **trthskr4** » Mon May 12, 2008 1:14 pm

wineo wrote:Although it would be nice to be legal,I wouldnt want my name on one of those petitions.
I would rather be a outlaw!Hell,I come from a long line of them anyway.

Agree with Wineo, you may as well sign your name with a paint brush and have the next guy paint a target on your ass before signing his name.

Old_Blue · Post by **Old_Blue** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:25 pm

Y'all talking about taxes, how many times do I have to pay taxes on the same thing?

Income -taxed

Leftover money:
Gas to the feed store to get corn- taxed
Corn - taxed
Gas to the grocery store for supplies - taxed
Sugar - taxed
Yeast - taxed
Mason jars - taxed
Electricity to run the well for water - taxed
Buckets for fermenter - taxed
Materials to build rig - taxed
Gas to get propane burner - taxed
Propane burner - taxed
gas to get propane refilled - taxed
Vehicle to haul this stuff in - taxed
Property - taxed
Material to build structure so I don't have stand out in the rain - taxed
Wife's stuff so she stays off my back - taxed,taxed,taxed.

Etc...etc...etc...

Jetzon · Post by **Jetzon** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:02 pm

John Hancock
I guess sometimes ya gotta stick your neck out.. I'd sign it.. Might clean up round here some

drumkiller · Post by **drumkiller** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:18 pm

hey husker, i play wow and distill

Jetzon · Post by **Jetzon** » Mon May 12, 2008 6:33 pm

Every time I see WOW now I think about Oppie and Anthony's show on the radio..
WOW = Whip it Out Wednesdays.. Dont be Shy ladies

Didnt take them long to get band round here

Sorry, didn't mean to move off topic..

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