noobs

[big worm]

theres got to be a million threads about yeast and cultures here. and yeast eat nutriants...lol if you feed them they will grow

[smokey]

thanks big worm for posting that because i am new at it and just about everytime i asked a question some one would jump all in my shit. i have always been told you dont know until you ask and no question is a stupid question. i am just like every other noob i am new and trying to learn everything i can about the hobby. thanks big worm for all the help.

[Dr_T]

. i have always been told [...] no question is a stupid question. .

Man, I had that shouted at me by some badasses.
Bad. Asses.
Nobody here would mess with those guys- you're lyin' if you say you would.
And that's what they said.
Again and again.
Loudly.
In my face, in my ear, to my back while I was pushing dirt.

No question is a stupid question. Ask me if you can't ask anybody else, I'll do my best to answer.

Oooh rah.

[Dr_T]

theres got to be a million threads about yeast and cultures here. and yeast eat nutriants...lol if you feed them they will grow

Bullshit.
Nobody here knows what yeast needs.

They can tell you what worked for them or what their daddy used.
Nobody here knows jack shit about what yeast needs to grow.

'cept maybe Pintoshine, and only because he kept notes.

Anybody else either doesn't know, or has too big a stick up his ass to answer the question.
So now I'm asking- what does yeast need to grow?

[Thirsty Bob]

Anybody else either doesn't know, or has too big a stick up his ass to answer the question.
So now I'm asking- what does yeast need to grow?

I'm sure I don't know, but I sure know what thread hijacking looks like, and rude at that.

[big worm]

doc, dap gipsum stuff like that i have never used any kind of nutrients for yeast...folks who do sugar washes use that kind of stuff i allways have some kind of grain in my washes and just figure the yeast eats on it. here what i know about yeast....yeast needs some kind of food to reproduce in great numbers..the numbers need to survive long enuff in the wash to convert all of the fermentable sugars...or..untill the %abv becomes to high for it to survive. plain ol sugar wash or just sugar is a bad food the yeast colony grows but its bad copies of its self and copies of worse copies..have i lost ya yet? the yeast just need a little something extra to feed on besides sugar..wheat bran..tomato paste...corn grits...on and on. most of the sugar wash recipes here use dap as nutrients or food for the colony . thats it thats all i know. ol timers took 100# sugar 50gal water couple of double handfulls of wheat bran and mixed a 1# cake of bakers yeast....made more likker than we ever will.

[Dnderhead]

nitrogen,amino acids, magnesium,calcium,zinc,B vitamins (B1),phosphate. exact mix, depends what you start with. wine/beer breweries
analyze before adding. because to much of some can inhibit yeast

[CoopsOz]

Bullshit.
Nobody here knows what yeast needs.

They can tell you what worked for them or what their daddy used.
Nobody here knows jack shit about what yeast needs to grow.
what does yeast need to grow?

This is the very reason why noobs get jumped (edited due to the use of unnecessary colourful language) .....how hard is it to open up Google, type "yeast nutrient" and do some bloody research? We don't spoonfeed here, it is honestly that simple. As for the "what Daddy used" comment, most here try to pass on real time experience......there is no point telling someone something that you have no experience with because when questioned you will eventually land on your arse.

BTW....5 seconds on google and I got this little snippet of info, who knows if it's true, my Daddy never used it.

yeast nutrient from Scott Labs contains diammonium phosphate, magnesium sulfate, yeast hulls, thiamine, folic acid, niacin and calcium pantothenate.

Merry Christmas to y'all

[goose eye]

dr t so you no more than anybody else on har bout propergatein yeast an just when i didnt think it could get no better i bet it is gonna. you a ring nocker to

[Fourway]

We here at the Home Distiller Forums firmly believe that distilling on a hobby level can be practiced sanely, safely and enjoyably.

We also believe that this is only possible when the hobby is being practiced with care, understanding and a set of basic rational and organizational skills.

We feel that the ability to research, read, learn and then clarify one's knowledge by asking good questions is a reasonably good indication that aforementioned skills will be present.

We cannot determine whether or not you possess the level of common sense needed to operate a still safely, and even if we could we wouldn't be able to withhold the information on how to do it from you.

What we can do is refuse to spoon feed you the basic information you might need to blow up your house, poison yourself, burn your family alive or get yourself a five year sentence in federal lockup.

By forcing you to read up on the basics on your own, we hope to set the bar high enough that the basic required skills are present in all new hobbyists who come through here.

[rad14701]

I also use the idiom that there is no such thing as a stupid question... But that doesn't mean that there aren't un-needed questions... There is a distinct difference...

I'm sure that very few of us walk into a new store and immediately ask for help without looking around first... I know that I, for one, would much rather wander up and down the isles than to ask until I've expended what I consider all possibilities... Of course that's a bit of a different situation because in most stores the people you ask usually can't help anyway or steer you in the totally wrong direction...

Truth be told, if all of the repeated questions, the replies pointing out that the question has already been answered, read, read, read, and debates like this weren't here, the forums would be a good 25% - 30% smaller... Well, maybe not quite that much smaller, but you all get my point...

I know from experience that it's better to at least acknowledge a question, regardless of how, than to simply let it go unanswered... I've been to far too many support forums where questions go unanswered for years... I don't ask questions in such forums, I hunt around and if I don't find the answer I figure it out myself because I don't have time to wait... And I'm sure we've all seen forums where questions, dumb or not, get bumped over and over when ignored... To me, that's more rude than giving an answer other than what someone wants...

I also feel that threads like this are useful, IF novices, new members, and whoever else, bothers to read them... They really do help convey the concept that looking is better than asking because you pick up so much more along the way... That in itself outweighs anyones dislike of being replied to in what they may think is an unjustified manner... Call it kick in the pants initiative...

Alright, I'll stop rambling now...

[BW Redneck]

Oh dear. Whenever Fourway jumps into a discussion like this, nothing good ever happens.

Just an observation, no offense intended.

I believe that newbies should not be spoonfed. A newbie should have to learn the same way I did-by thoroughly researching every possible topic in distilling as best as possible. I had the parent site memorized, I bought two books from the Amphora Society, and I tried to read every single post in the forums. Back then, there weren't nearly as many threads as there are now. I eventually brought up the courage to make and test a cheap (and dodgy) potstill, and I worked my way up from there.

When you spoonfeed newbies, they get just enough of the information required to hurt themselves.
I admit, the home site needs some significant updating, and it also needs to be organized differently.

Perhaps we can make a mandatory test that newbies need to pass before getting the "apprentice" rank. It would be open book: they have the entirety of the internet to get their answers from. Before they pass, they can post, but their rank would be something like "student".

[Fourway]

Oh dear. Whenever Fourway jumps into a discussion like this, nothing good ever happens.

thanks for that vote of confidence there BWR.


Anyhow as far as piling on and the "tearing down" people are talking about...


there's no need to be mean, and there's no need to pile on.

If it's a question that reveals an unwillingness or inability to do the basic research, direct the person firmly but gently to read. Once or twice is plenty.


If it's a troll you can usually tell. The pattern is to ask a question or make a statement that is inflammatory and then get extremely hostile when you reply in an inflamed way.
The fact that it is remotely possible that an occasional person who follows this pattern might not be an actual intentional troll but just an annoying person with wrong ideas and no social skills (real trolls use that as a cover) doesn't really matter. You can't actually successfully engage with someone like that in a forum like this. Besides which it is really immaterial whether a person is behaving badly because they are socially deficient and can't help it or because they are socially deficient and are pretending that they can't help it. It is unfortunate and sad that they have personality problems that prevent them from being able to connect with this community in a constructive way, but it is not our job to fix them and if it was our job we would fail at it.

The best thing to do with that sort of nonsense is reply politely and then ignore.

[big worm]

reading is the key theres just no other way to learn this craft unless some one actualy hands on teaches you. i read a good bit before joining while reading if i had a question i just did a search...its a wonderful tool. i still use it on a daily basis. you may find more questions than ansewers...lol but thats how it works. the lord helps those who help themselves..i would like to see as many crafters as we can...helps in the long run for the cause..providing they are willing to do the work to do it safe and, do it right. i dunno its been tossed out before to limit new folks on where they can post, meybe not a total bad idea restrict to a new members room..stupid questin dump.. but full access a read only. keep them in one place till they have read and have a better grasp. weed out anyone who is just lazy or looking for trouble ... i'll help any way i can.

[Tater]

Yep Id like to see first 50 posts from newbies to only be allowed in newbie section.

[punkin]

theres got to be a million threads about yeast and cultures here. and yeast eat nutriants...lol if you feed them they will grow

Bullshit.
Nobody here knows what yeast needs.

They can tell you what worked for them or what their daddy used.
Nobody here knows jack shit about what yeast needs to grow.

'cept maybe Pintoshine, and only because he kept notes.

Anybody else either doesn't know, or has too big a stick up his ass to answer the question.
So now I'm asking- what does yeast need to grow?

This is so funny.

There's a few people here who stand out like goats balls as being in possesion of the deepest understandings of fermentation mechanics and such.

Why don't you try phrasing your question in a polite fashion, wrapping it in a pm, and sending it off to Muckanic?

I gaurantee you will recieve more information and knowledge from him in an extended discussion on yeast than you will ever know what to do with....

He's not the only one here either, look around, do some research and post an intelligent thread


There is also lawyers here, although they may not have declared themselves directly to you.

[junkyard dawg]

I thought that was sarcasm.

I thought it was funny anyway...

[HookLine]

So now I'm asking- what does yeast need to grow?

It's all very well us giving the yeast a good home and a decent upbringing and opening the door to all the opportunities that we never had in our deprived child hoods.

But the yeast has got to want to grow. It has to take responsibility for itself. We will not be around forever to hold its hand. At some point it has to learn to stand on it own two feet, to grasp the nettle, seize the day, put its best foot forward, and make some hard but rewarding choices. Where would the world be if the yeast just sat around all day, sponging of the hard-working bacteria?

So I'm putting straight to you, yeast. Are you a man or a mycoform?

These things matter.

No, really, they do.

Well, so I'm told.

[blanikdog]

I thought that was sarcasm.

I thought it was funny anyway...

Me too junkyard, to both sarcasm and funny. We were both wrong, but I'm just a weird aussie, what's your excuse?

blanik

[big worm]

I thought that was sarcasm.

I thought it was funny anyway...

Me too junkyard, to both sarcasm and funny. We were both wrong, but I'm just a weird aussie, what's your excuse?

blanik

one of you smarter fellers kick me or something..should i be laughing or wincing

[Thirsty Bob]

But the yeast has got to want to grow. It has to take responsibility for itself. We will not be around forever to hold its hand. At some point it has to learn to stand on it own two feet, to grasp the nettle, seize the day, put its best foot forward, and make some hard but rewarding choices. Where would the world be if the yeast just sat around all day, sponging of the hard-working bacteria?

LMFAO

Good on ya mate.

All the best for the season.

Bob

[trthskr4]

Had a MD here too but he left I assume due to issues with some attitudes of others here. Hell, it may have been me for all I know.

Yeast need to eat the f^cking feedstock I put in the bucket for them or they get boiled and fed to the next batch, that's what they NEED. It's survival of the fittest around here most of the time, do your job or get fed to the next dog in line. Hmmm, maybe the rest of the microbial world needs to be that way or maybe a little bigger organisms world.

Not snubbing anyone or being shitty but why the hell do we have to be specialists in every minute aspect of this hobby? If we were why the hell would we need this forum anyway?

[blanikdog]

Yairsss trth, it was a pity about EuroStiller. We shared a lot of stuff by pm. He came from a long line of distiller/winemakers in Italy.
I hope to visit him one day.

blanik

[big worm]

[quote="trthskr4"]

Yeast need to eat the f^cking feedstock I put in the bucket for them or they get boiled and fed to the next batch, that's what they NEED. It's survival of the fittest around here most of the time, do your job or get fed to the next dog in line. Hmmm, maybe the rest of the microbial world needs to be that way or maybe a little bigger organisms world.

now that is good stuff even i can understand that logic

[trthskr4]

Pretty simple reasoning for a simple man.

[Fourway]

This yeast thing is a thread hijack.
we were talking about being mean to new users.
The severity of the left turn and the strange argumentative vehemence of the seminal topic-blocker wouldn't really fly elsewhere, but this is off-topic isn't it?

In any case... I take issue with the statement "Nobody here knows what yeast needs".

The argument itself is flawed.
"Yeast" is not one thing that is uniformly happy with a single diet.
There are probably more distinct strains of yeast living on earth right now than the total number of human beings that have ever been born.
the relatively new Yeast Genetic Research Resource Center (YGRRC) started their catalogue with 25,000 distinct strains of yeast and those are just ones that have been or manipulated bred for industrial use, cultivated for medical or scientific research or collected because they exhibited traits that were interesting to the incidental researcher.

there are yeasts that prefer milk, there are yeasts that prefer malt, there are yeasts that only grow happily in the private recesses of the female anatomy and others that grow in the folds of certain homeless fat people or on specific fruits at specific times of year and wont cultivate successfully without traces of chemicals only found in their specialized hosts....

there are yeasts that will limp along with absolutely nothing but sugar and water and others that will roll over and die if the ph isn't exactly right.

I've been quite certain for a while that there must be wild yeasts that produce their own helpful enzymes.... I've seen so many wild caught sourdough starters that were fed nothing but wheat flour and reeked of etoh.


the phrase "Nobody here knows what yeast needs" makes about as much sense as "Nobody here knows how long a piece of string is"

[goose eye]

he aint gonna be makein no likker ifin he was he would prove it.
aint that how that game is played. dr t

[rad14701]

A lot of times off topic is used to break the festering tension in a forum thread... That being said, "How long is a piece of string...???"... Same ambiguous question as "What nutrients do yeast need...???"... The answer to both should be "Depends..."...

[maoule]

2(x/2)=x (length of string)
Did I win?!!!

[Fourway]

A lot of times off topic is used to break the festering tension in a forum thread... That being said, "How long is a piece of string...???"... Same ambiguous question as "What nutrients do yeast need...???"... The answer to both should be "Depends..."...

Exactly