Does tomato paste lack something?

[pomiataa]

Or it is complete as nutrients.?

[rad14701]

Please include the entire question within you post...

In answer to your question, tomato paste does not contain all nutrients required for a timely and efficient ferment... See the Tried and True recipe section for the "what", "why", and "how much", as well as the Recipe Development section and Yeast, Enzymes, Fungi, and Nutrients section for more information...

[pomiataa]

Please include the entire question within you post...

In answer to your question, tomato paste does not contain all nutrients required for a timely and efficient ferment... See the Tried and True recipe section for the "what", "why", and "how much", as well as the Recipe Development section and Yeast, Enzymes, Fungi, and Nutrients section for more information...

Hi RAD,
I posted originally the question in the “sugar” section and I think the question was obvious there. Since someone moved my post to the “novice” section – here are the details.
In 23L water and 3.5kg inverted white sugar if you add 120g tomato paste and 25g baker’s yeast – what is missing?

I am asking this question because I’ve seen all the recipes here and some of them use DAP and epsom salts, some use molasses, sereals, wheat germ, fertilizers or none of the above. Some even don’t invert the sugar.

So my question was if you use just inverted sugar, tomato paste and yeast, what will be missing in the wash. I know – the ingredients in the other recipes, but it is interesting to me if someone knows what is missing in the tomato paste? Or what is in it?

In my sugar washes the other ingredient is 1 tbsp unsulfured fancy molasses (the Bokabob recipe in the mini_still.jpg) and I am happy with the results.
It is easy to copy something that is working, but I like to understand how it is working.
I hope you understand.

[rad14701]

Okay, first you need to know what yeast needs and then you need to check to see what your ingredients have... From that you can determine what's missing... By looking at the nutritional values of tomato paste you will see that there are no B vitamins and no source of nitrogen... At the very least you should augment the recipe with a source of B complex vitamins as well as a nitrogen source and magnesium which can be sourced via epsom salt...

Again, I'll refer you to the Tried and True recipe and Recipe Development sections... See what the various recipes use or don't use, and what nutritional values those ingredients contribute to the recipe... That's how you learn, or at least how I learned... If you have an exotic pet you have to figure out what it needs and make sure it gets everything it needs... Yeast is your new exotic pet... If you don't treat it right it will either become belligerent or it will up and die on you... It's all about "what" yeast need and "why"... That information has been covered here in the forums as well as in several other locations on the internet... Those external locations have also been posted here in the forums... Two other good places to look are in my Gerber and All Bran recipe topics because you will be able to see by the nutritional data there "why" those two cereals are used for sugar washes... They both contain virtually ALL of the nutrients required...

We will be getting some better information compiled for the New Distiller Reading Lounge in the near future... I've been a little busy with real world work to get a jump on it recently, however... My intention is to help answer the "what" and "why" so folks can have a better understanding from a novice perspective on up... The only facet I don't intend to cover is yeast farming because that is a whole other story...

[pomiataa]

... By looking at the nutritional values of tomato paste you will see that there are no B vitamins and no source of nitrogen... At the very least you should augment the recipe with a source of B complex vitamins as well as a nitrogen source and magnesium which can be sourced via epsom salt...
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Thank you RAD for taking your time to answer our questions!
It is good to have knowledgeable people to guide you trough this fascinating hobby.

BTW there is another question bothering me lately:
If you malnourish your yeast, can it produce harmful hearts (with the proper cut), or it will just die.
I am paying attention on what I put into my body. At the same time I believe good alcohol when taken properly is beneficial.

Cheers!

[rad14701]

BTW there is another question bothering me lately:
If you malnourish your yeast, can it produce harmful hearts (with the proper cut), or it will just die.
I am paying attention on what I put into my body. At the same time I believe good alcohol when taken properly is beneficial.

Yeast themselves will not produce toxins that would be detrimental to your health... If yeast deplete the sugars in the wash they will simply go dormant and perhaps eat small amounts of remaining nutrients as they wait patiently for more sugar to convert to alcohol and CO2... If they do die before the wash is racked they will eventually begin to secrete small amounts of impurities, like sulfur compounds, etc...

[HookLine]

I have run a ferment using tomato paste only for nutrients, though with a generous serving of yeast which should supply any missing nutrients. It was a little slow. But did finish up okay.

Tomato paste has most of what yeast need, including magnesium and nitrogen (as protein, ie amino acids). Main thing it is deficient in is vitamin B12.

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[Dnderhead]

the purple wash?
beets are also good but also lacks in b12 ,, as b12 is not available in plants.
throw in some boiled yest. and is good to go

(yeast are on a sodium free diet so no salt please)

[pomiataa]

Thank you guys!
Now I feel that I know what I am doing.