Jim Jefferies - Comedian

[WooTeck]

I'm pretty sure that if I am startled out of my bed in the middle of the night I am more likely to mistakenly grab my pecker instead of the 9mm in my night stand drawer (if I had a 9mm).

That may be effective depending on how confidently you do so. Criminal might go from thinking he's the offender to feeling victimized rather quickly.

Hahaha

Im gonna start by saying that I'm pretty jealous that you guys can easily get fire arms. On the other hand I'm glad not not every asshat can get a hold of one here. I always feel a bit iffy when I see guns knowing that with the littlest effort some one could die. Little less chance with a blade.

Other thing I will say I all ways how issues with when a gun is defensive tool. It's an offensive tool that can be used to keep people away From you.

WooTeck(probably just envious )

[rad14701]

Nobody said anything about acquiring firearms as easy these days here in the US... Everything has to be documented, background checks run, and whatever else... And then if you do something wrong, not even gun related, and potentially minor, they show up at your door and want to take all of your guns and ammunition... And now we have a 10 round magazine limit here in NY... Well, my Winchester woodchuck rifle holds 17 22LR rounds and I don't bother making sure I keep 10 rounds or less loaded... It only takes one round per woodchuck but I'd rather have too many rounds than too few... Just popped the first one for 2015 yesterday...

[goinbroke2]

Guns are a dangerous tool and should be treated as such, when guys are carrying 24/7 in the sandbox there are AD's too but considering how much potential is there, it's nothing. It's like and aircraft goes down and everybody freaks until they realise aircraft travel millions of miles every day so the one day a plane crashes is a trajedy and 200 people died, you have to take it within perspective and that it's still safer than driving a car.

So, what is the common denominator between an accidental discharge by a soldier carrying a weapon 24/7 and joe blow? Nothing! They both fucked up and they both are trained to handle the weapon and have had backgound checks and, and, and. The difference is that the soldiers have more varied training and takes his weapon to the shitter...well most joe blows I know don't but I suppose some might LOL.

Point is, guns are dangerous and only qualified/trained people should be able to legally have them...oh wait..THAT IS THE LAW!!! It's the CRIMINALS WHO DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, hence the name CRIMINALS!

[MoonBreath]

Don't know who the idiot/comedian? is, nor do I care.
After readn everyone's replies, I'm not gonna waste the time ..
If he's that big of an ignoramus, his audience must be suspect also.

[Zak Griffin]

Thanks to the guys willing to put forward some actual discussion

Crow, you are right, I'm not old enough to have had my guns taken away, but my dad and uncle were, and they lost priceless family heirlooms that should never have been up for grabs.

You are also right in that guns are tools and should be treated as such. I have been shooting rifles since I can remember, I was taught to use them properly, respectfully and safely. I am all for people having guns, for work or as a hobby (target shooting or hunting), but when every week in the US a kid or parent is being killed by a kid playing with a handgun, SURELY we have to see that somewhere along the line there is a problem?

Now if you want a handgun/assault rifle/SMG, I think that's great! I'd love one! But why would it EVER need to be in a position where it could be picked up by someone not trained in it's proper use (child or otherwise)? Why was a bloke killed the other week at a range by a 9 year old girl with an Uzi? Why does a 9 year old girl need an Uzi?!

It's also interesting that everyone is all for pro-gun discussion here, but as soon as I put a devil's advocate opinion in there's calls for it to be shut down. It has absolutely no political or religious basis, I just wanted to create some discussion.

[cranky]

OK you managed to lure me back into this pointless and yes political discussion that isn't going to do anybody on this site any good but I can't let this go without a reply

when every week in the US a kid or parent is being killed by a kid playing with a handgun, SURELY we have to see that somewhere along the line there is a problem?

Not sure where the hell you are getting your information but it is just plane incorrect. It is actually a rare occurrence here in the U.S. Most parents who have guns teach their kids about them at a very young age and keep them locked up. I have been shooting guns since I was about 8, I got my first 12ga shotgun somewhere around age 12. So did every boy I grew up with. We were taught what a gun could do and how to shoot them and treat them. My own son was taught the same as me and gun locks were never necessary. Nowadays gun locks are the norm because people who are so opposed to guns don't teach their kids about them and as a result in those rare occasions where a kid is playing with a gun and shoot himself or someone else it is one of those kids pulling the trigger because they were never taught anything about guns and gun safety. But it doesn't happen every week.

Now if you want a handgun/assault rifle/SMG, I think that's great! I'd love one! But why would it EVER need to be in a position where it could be picked up by someone not trained in it's proper use (child or otherwise)?

Home security plain and simple, a gun you can't get to in an emergency is useless, an unloaded gun is just a club. Unfortunately sometimes kids get into things they shouldn't whether that is a gun or ant poison, kids get into stuff and if they know better they will know not to mess with it but not everyone is taught correctly and I blame the parents. A couple years ago someone showed up on my door trying to sell me a new home security system, or maybe trying to get info on how to break into my house. Either way he asked me "what if someone broke into your house?" My response was "They are going to die" Then he asked "Well what if they break in and your wife is home alone?" I repeated "They are going to die" Why? Because because I believe in the point and click method of home security and everybody in my house deserves to defend themselves and have access to those guns to do so, but they are also smart enough to know that guns are not toys.

Why was a bloke killed the other week at a range by a 9 year old girl with an Uzi? Why does a 9 year old girl need an Uzi?!

She had no business shooting that gun and he was a certified instructor and paid for his mistake with his life. He F#@Ked up, it happens.

It's also interesting that everyone is all for pro-gun discussion here, but as soon as I put a devil's advocate opinion in there's calls for it to be shut down. It has absolutely no political or religious basis, I just wanted to create some discussion.

Again it is political, it's decisive and it has no place on this forum (Just my opinion)

[Zak Griffin]

Most people who break into your house just want your TV! How many enemies do you have if you think people are coming into your house to murder your family?

[goinbroke2]

Cranky your post is dead on, I'll go further in that the thread was started as a troll. It would be like me saying "oh you guys are mostly american? Well I was wondering why you did that whole slavery thing" then sit back and watch as both sides chew at it while I laugh. How about "Oh there's a bunch of Canadians on here? well, how come you allow your Sargeant at arms in the parliment to kill people?"

There's all kinds of targeted trolling with the obvious result being laughing at the ones you're trolling. This thread served no purpose other than to antagonise and "who me?" and then antagonise more.

Last year in my sub division (of maybe 250 houses) a 4 year old died after getting into chemicals. Don't even know the full story but the kid died due to "househouse chemicals". Was it the chemicals fault? no. Did anybody blame the chemicals? just those who prefer a nanny state who wanted the chemicals banned...but they weren't aware of just which chemicals it was, "but whatever it was it's obviously too dangerous for homes so the government should make a law to ban them" Should only persons familiar with safe handling procedures use/touch the chemicals? YES IT'S CALLED A SAFETY LABEL/MSDS SHEET! Adults are supposed to be RESPONSIBLE not only as adults (and to be able to recognise what any reasonable adult would consider responsible) but also responsible as parents. In this case, the parents f&^%ed up and their child died because of it. Tell me they wouldn't take a mulligan or do-over and teach their kid the dangers of chemicals/hot stoves/electrical outlets/teasing the dog/etc/etc???

This perverse mentality that an inanimate object is to blame for an outcome performed by people is the reason kids can't play baseball in school here anymore (bats are too dangerous) so they play with a soccer ball and play "soccerbaseball". Kids by law here have to wear a helmet to go on a ski hill or get a fine. Toboggans are being outlawed as too dangerous, on and on it goes. "It's not MY fault, the pencil wrote the dirty words on my text book" or "it's not my fault, the spoon made me fat".
Society is quickly degrading to the "if the gov makes more rules and outlaws bad stuff, life will be utopian"

Like I said, this whole thread has troll written all over it and should be deleted in it's entirety.

[Plaincrazy]

If anyone is interested....
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[cranky]

Most people who break into your house just want your TV! How many enemies do you have if you think people are coming into your house to murder your family?

Hundreds of thousands of women are raped in their homes every year, way more than the number of children injured or killed by playing with guns. Thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of people are killed in their homes every year. It is naive and down right ignorant to think anybody breaking into an occupied home is just after the T.V. That statement is just plain insulting.

[cranky]

I agree with goingbroke2, this thread is a troll thread and serves no purpose and should be locked or deleted in it's entirety.

[Truckinbutch]

Most people who break into your house just want your TV! How many enemies do you have if you think people are coming into your house to murder your family?

My TV worth your life ? Motherhumper , let me 'splain it to you : MY TV , as in I worked hard to generate enough dollars to purchase MY TV for ME to enjoy . I spent part of my life investing in that TV . So , you break into my home to 'just steal my Tv' , an item I invested part of my life into purchasing and I'm just supposed to give it up because it is only a TV .
>What fuckin planet are you from ? Around here we call that kind of thinking 'A Total Failure In The Victim Selection Process' because the perpetrators of such crimes 'become shot'. We suffer a minimal amount of such crime for that very reason .

[ranger_ric]

+1 TB!!!

[thecroweater]

my position is well documented here , in Uncles Jessies rifles thread and many other places. That said we all have our lines in the sand. I'll give anyone my view and listen to anyone else's long as they don't jam theirs down my throat neither would I> For instance I taught my step sons gun safety and how to operate a firearm safely when they were 10, 11 or so and they grew up knowing guns were a potentially dangerous but useful tool. Loaded guns were never stored away loaded and they were kept in a safe. My property is very important to me until it come to the safety of my kids then not so much. another line in the sand with me is automatic weapons, outside of warfare and criminal intent I just don't get the point . guns are dangerous and the safety involved should be respected, so are chainsaws and any tool can buy one. In the end the lines in the sand are drawn for us as even freedom has to have a limit to exist

The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
Abraham Lincoln

The other side of the argument presented in a less offensive more thought provoking way (and helps make my point on safety I think). I might not agree with these guys but I do see their point

[ranger_ric]

Croweater.. I have always read and respected your posts.. ALWAYS... Your signature line strikes a cord with me... My forefathers struggled against the British in the revolutionary war. The lines in this youtube video are definitely touching. But they are ALL based on a lie. The same lie could be told in a liquor store about someone who drank too much OR didnt keep their liquor away from their kids and a DWI accident occurred from someone drinking the alcohol. How many deaths could we blame on Jack DAniels or Pabst Blue Ribbon or whatever.
Truly a REAL touching story but not a TRUE story. Not a single one of the guns in that shop had killed anyone.... But its just a story...

Once again Croweater I have great respect for everything you have said on these forums.

[thisguy]

What are the chances most of those people thought those were the ACTUAL guns at those incidents.

[ranger_ric]

Thisguy, from the way they edited the video it would appear that was the story they were telling. Now I am old enough to know that there are REAL stories and that there are TRUE stories. Looks to me like they presented it as a TRUE story...

Just sayin'

[thisguy]

Totally agree rr, I just wouldnt put it past people to think those were the actual, physical guns used in those incidents and completely overlook the fact that the guy was referring to the model or type.

[thecroweater]

Don't matter to much if its the actual guns or not to make the point, (I'd take that that shottie BTW)
Censorship is telling a grown man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it, but i never did mind some one sayin that steak has some gristle to it mind you chew it good

[Plaincrazy]

Everyone here understands that most are denouncing the opinions presented as untrue because they are biased and one sided, by presenting a biased and one sided argument, right?
All my 12 guns have a history, a long and positive history with me and my family. But I also understand that my 303 British has seen things I'm not sure I even want to know about let alone experience. I like to try and understand both sides before I form an opinion, and even after I do, I am still open minded and respectful of the opinion of others. Just saying...

[WooTeck]

another line in the sand with me is automatic weapons, outside of warfare and criminal intent I just don't get the point

i agree with this statment. other than autos being really %&*ing cool there is no use in them other than killing humans.

take a aa12 hunting and your not going to have much to eat. but you will get some awesome footage.

[goldfishcf]

Ok, so me and a buddy listened to almost all of it, had to run an errand first, we have listened to it as a comedy. He does make really good points. And we're both the gun toting "rednecks". Everybody needs to calm down a bit. He's funny.

[The KYChemist]

another line in the sand with me is automatic weapons, outside of warfare and criminal intent I just don't get the point

Outside of Sam's, and maybe fully automatic weapons, why shouldn't we be allowed to have weaponry on par with the military? That, I thought, was one of the reasons behind the 2nd amendment. To be able to protect ourselves, if a tyrannical government ever does try to come after us. If your govt is better armed than the citizens, what is to stop it from rolling the citizens over? Not trying be "political", just stating what my understanding of the 2nd amendment is.

[DSM Loki]

Personally, I don't even agree with the argument against owning automatic weapons. They are fun as all get out. I'm not a fan of the current restrictions on so many things that you must prove are for a "sporting purpose." I'm not saying that we should hand them out all willy nilly, but I don't think we should disallow law abiding citizens from even the possibility.

[WooTeck]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... ed-carrier" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

if your government wanted to go tyrannical they would allready have you with firepower.

[The KYChemist]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... ed-carrier

if your government wanted to go tyrannical they would allready have you with firepower.

Not a big fan of "those" types of news outlets, nor am I a mouthpiece for the other types either. My opinions on how our govt is destroying liberties is best reserved for conversation, elsewhere. But, I will say, a lot of my opinions are in line with Mark Levin's. Not all of them, though. He also has some good books out there as well.

[WooTeck]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... ed-carrier

if your government wanted to go tyrannical they would allready have you with firepower.

Not a big fan of "those" types of news outlets, nor am I a mouthpiece for the other types either. My opinions on how our govt is destroying liberties is best reserved for conversation, elsewhere. But, I will say, a lot of my opinions are in line with Mark Levin's. Not all of them, though. He also has some good books out there as well.

I was just putting that there as a 'there's no need for automatic weapons other they are cool' in any fight against the sate no matter how well armed the population are they will always have lesser fire power.

except maybe here...

fun fact I visited that gun range about 8 years ago give or take. missed the festival and it was all booked up so I didn't get to shoot

WooTeck (defiantly just envious )

[BoomTown]

And all of this political B.S. relates to Home Distilling, how?

[DeepSouth]

We can't even decisively win a conflict with Islamic terror groups, and most of their firepower is equivalent to what U.S citizens can currently own. I don't buy the argument that the federal government could just lay waste and destroy an American citizen uprising because they have superior firepower. Guerrilla warfare with small arms is pretty damn effective. A lot of non U.S. citizens have been chiming in on this topic, and I feel that what citizens of other countries fail to realize, is that the whole point of the 2nd Amendment to our constitution is to empower the people to overthrow a tyrannical federal government if it becomes necessary. That is the way our entire country was founded in the first place.

[DSM Loki]

Well guys, I think this thread has run its course with surprising civility but the point has been made that this discussion doesn't really belong here as it is extremely political in nature. It's probably about time for a lock I think.