Controller ?.

[Pooch]

Hi all. In new distillers lounge, other stilling hardware, there is a thread phase angle controller. In this thread mulekicker post two different controllers. One with a phase module one without.

Question is. Is the module needed? Or could I just use the SSR and potentiometer and leave out phase module?

In parts list he gives Croydon part # d2424-10. I have a d2425.

Question is. Can I use the d2425 in place of the d2425-10?

Will be using to run 240 5500w element.

I've read sooo many post in the different builds that my head spins. Just need some clarification. Thanks guys.

[rad14701]

Why didn't you ask in the topic in question so we don't have to do your research for you...???

[still_stirrin]

...In this thread mulekicker post two different controllers. One with a phase module one without.
Question is. Is the module needed? Or could I just use the SSR and potentiometer and leave out phase module?

Well, according the MuleKicker build, you need the phase module to time the "burst-fire" SSR. The circuit also requires a voltage transformer to supply voltage to the phase control module because it tells the SSR when to turn on and off.

The other circuit that MuleKicker outlines uses the PSW-25, a resistance controlled SSR. Hence, it needs only a potentiometer to regulate the SSR's state.

In parts list he gives Croydon part # d2424-10. I have a d2425.
Question is. Can I use the d2425 in place of the d2425-10?

According to this thread, the specified SSR is the D2425-10, not the D2424 (perhaps it was a typo on the parts list). See: http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p6859961

The Crydom D2425-10 is a 25 amp rated solid state relay which requires an input voltage between 3-32 VDC to regulate the output power. The only difference between your D2425 and the specified D2425-10 units (besides the cost) is that the -10 model is non-zero voltage crossing phase controllable. But for MuleKicker's build, he makes note to use the non-zero crossing SSR. So the one you have won't work for the circuit MuleKicker describes.

For a little more discussion between the differences in these two devices (and their function), please read through this thread: http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 85&t=42578

Hope it helps. And good luck.
ss

p.s.- edited to add...the reason for the delay in my answer was because I was indeed doing the research for you, as Rad suggested.

[Pooch]

Still_stirrin, thanks for the answer and explanation. Also link for thread to check out. There are so many different threads I guess it's hard to read them all plus kinda confusing sometimes when your not familiar on how certain things work. I have a better understanding just reading your response than three days clicking on threads.


Rad14701, I posted here because I believed it was the best location. And I never asked you to research anything for me. I was asking because I did do some due diligence reading and I still was a bit confused and not sure. I thought that was what a forum was for. You've been on here it appears for a long time and I'm sure you get tired of reading the same stuff posted all the time from new people. But if you didn't feel you could answer my question why throw around your sarcasm of feel you need to scolled someone. Just say nothing. Sheesh.

[still_stirrin]

Hey Pooch,

Rad is a priceless "brain trust". Please don't diss his response. He was simply stating that you asked a question which required a bit of research to answer. If the pertinent data was all present in your post, it would save valuable time from the experience here.

No harm done here, as you found your answer (I hope). And believe me, when Rad answers your questions, there is much value in his contribution. He's been around a long while...just look at his post count.
ss

[Pooch]

Wasn't trying to diss anyone. But why respond that way. If one chooses not to answer the question at hand, why answer at all. Guess Internet forums are not my thing. I will just use it as a read only forum from now on. Second post here and someone wants to give me grief. Thanks for your initial answer/ explanation. Much appreciated.

[DWelsh]

I feel your point Pooch. This forum is full of people who take their forum status way too seriously and feel the need to be condescending turds. There are some really experienced distillers in here though who have a life, and are happy to answer your questions without the pathetic backhanded remarks. Just ask what you need to ask, and to hell with the douchebags.

[TxBrewing]

Wasn't trying to diss anyone. But why respond that way. If one chooses not to answer the question at hand, why answer at all. Guess Internet forums are not my thing. I will just use it as a read only forum from now on. Second post here and someone wants to give me grief. Thanks for your initial answer/ explanation. Much appreciated.

I think the main point Rad was trying to get across is that it was not necessary to start a new thread, asking a question about what is being discussed in original thread, when you could have just asked your question in the original thread, where all the information is located.

That is just my take, and I could be way off base....

TXB

[Pooch]

In that particular thread there is only 3 post. They contain pics, parts and description. I felt it was put there uncluttered for instruction rather than a back and forth with questions. That's why I asked here. Really thought it was a locked thread, guess not.

[still_stirrin]

In that particular thread there is only 3 post. They contain pics, parts and description. I felt it was put there uncluttered for instruction rather than a back and forth with questions. That's why I asked here. Really thought it was a locked thread, guess not.

Do you know how to use the HDGoogle search? There's a hotlink in my signature. Learn how...it's a "priceless" for membership here. I GUARANTEE all your questions have been asked and answered before. So, if you use the tool you can learn before becoming offended.

In fact, "self-help" is much encouraged here. But ridiculing members is actively discouraged. You'll find it much easier to get a response if you first try to find the answers yourself. But, the forum promotes safety and we want all hobbiests to be safe, so ask if you've exhausted your efforts to find an answer. And then, if someone points you to the "self-help" chapters of the forum, don't chastise them for that direction. Accept it and learn.

Some day you'll be one of those "experienced" members when your time is too valuable to repeat the same thing for the 1000th time. You'll see...what "comes around...goes around".
ss

[rad14701]

I'm seeing an awful lot of novices with low post counts trying to advise me on how I should be responding to their questions and this needs to stop... I've been here going on 10 years, read the entire forums for several years before registering, and have been participating in the craft for going on four decades... I surely don't need any interpersonal advice from anyone here, especially new members... I'm here every day for more hours than most novices spend doing research in a week and I do so for no other reason than to help your journey go smoother, so you don't have to repeat all of the same mistakes that others before you have...

I could very easily stop coming here, stop posting, and enjoy other facets of my life instead of investing copious amounts of my time, which I volunteer freely, to these forums... However, it should be obvious that I have a vested interest in these forums, at least from a technological and safety concern standpoint... I don't say what I say to be condescending and anyone who feels that way simply doesn't get the underlying messages, they merely take knee-jerk offense... I don't type clearly, use proper spelling and, most of the time, proper punctuation, just to make myself feel good - I do it because I feel that if one is going to post they should at least make it legible... I sometimes edit my posts several times so there is little room for confusion in what I am attempting to convey... No cryptic one sentence third hand drivel here...

Now I'm off to do real life stuff because I've about had it with all the pissing and moaning from novices today...!!! If you fuck up it's not my problem because I've been doing my best to keep your asses safe from day one...!!! I'm not changing how I interact in these forums and nobody should expect me to...!!! And I shouldn't even have to feel the need to waste my time making this post either... Some folks should be ashamed of themselves... Those who have actually taken the time to figure out what I stand for in these forums actually appreciate my presence...

Sorry but I felt the need to vent today...

[DWelsh]

I'm seeing an awful lot of novices with low post counts trying to advise me on how I should be responding to their questions and this needs to stop... I've been here going on 10 years, read the entire forums for several years before registering, and have been participating in the craft for going on four decades... I surely don't need any interpersonal advice from anyone here, especially new members... I'm here every day for more hours than most novices spend doing research in a week and I do so for no other reason than to help your journey go smoother, so you don't have to repeat all of the same mistakes that others before you have...

I could very easily stop coming here, stop posting, and enjoy other facets of my life instead of investing copious amounts of my time, which I volunteer freely, to these forums... However, it should be obvious that I have a vested interest in these forums, at least from a technological and safety concern standpoint... I don't say what I say to be condescending and anyone who feels that way simply doesn't get the underlying messages, they merely take knee-jerk offense... I don't type clearly, use proper spelling and, most of the time, proper punctuation, just to make myself feel good - I do it because I feel that if one is going to post they should at least make it legible... I sometimes edit my posts several times so there is little room for confusion in what I am attempting to convey... No cryptic one sentence third hand drivel here...

Now I'm off to do real life stuff because I've about had it with all the pissing and moaning from novices today...!!! If you fuck up it's not my problem because I've been doing my best to keep your asses safe from day one...!!! I'm not changing how I interact in these forums and nobody should expect me to...!!! And I shouldn't even have to feel the need to waste my time making this post either... Some folks should be ashamed of themselves... Those who have actually taken the time to figure out what I stand for in these forums actually appreciate my presence...

Sorry but I felt the need to vent today...

I think you just proved my point. You take your status here way too seriously. This is an internet forum, relax. Sometimes I come to forums to ask, because I have a life outside of here and don't always have time to spend hours a day searching for one specific answer. Maybe, just maybe, asking questions in forums is in itself a form of research. You should probably take a break from this place and enjoy the real world for a bit. Or you can keep being a nosy miserable forum snob and keep irritating everyone with your condescending "presence". Your call.

[Danespirit]

To get back on topic..
I believe Mulekickers post is several years old and things have evolved a little since.
You could work around the problem easier and much cheaper with a SCR.
It does essentially the same thing but costs even less than a SSR....let alone all the other parts you need to build such device.
The picture below shows what I use. It's a 8 $ thing...so affordable, I've bought a spare just in case.
You'll have to buy one that handles your 5,5 KW (dimension it for a little more W than you actually draw).

5000 W SCR

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