Cops are out of control

[theholymackerel]

I don't get pulled over but once or twice a year. It only happens when a cop is bored: I drive using cruise controll and set it for 2 MPH over whatever the speed limit is.

When I get pulled over I listen politely, follow directions, and as soon as possible mention I'm tired and I'd really like to get back home. If the cop says anything other than " be on yer way, sir" I will interrupt and ask "Am I under arrest, or otherwise being detained?" These are Magic Words in America to a cop. EVERY TIME, without fail, I have been given a dirty look by the cop and told to get the hell outta here.

[Bushman]

I had a county sheriff follow me a while back (they are usually the worse), he then went around me as it was a 4 lane highway. I caught up to him at the next light and he had a bumper sticker that read "smile I could be following you". I got a good chuckle and we both went on our way!

[Husker]

I have not been pulled over in years. I am not worried about it locally. It is the 'ladder climbing' hwy patrol / state patrol types I would be concerned with. I am not saying that those 'magic' words would not also work there, likely they will.

H.

[MuleKicker]

So,

If that was what happened, what steps can someone take to NOT allow a criminal con artist (wearing a badge) to not have the power to do this?

dont look like much in that guys situation. bottom line, the cops got his mind made up. hes gonna get his way. sad

[Husker]

I think the first mistake was to get out of the car.

[MuleKicker]

I think the first mistake was to get out of the car.

Figger ya gotta when asked to? I have never been asked to step out. Cant be a goood outcome when it happens though. Instant red flag that something aint right

[retlaw]

this explanation nails it dead on and shows how silly it all is,

Government Explained


Mod edit. Good enough video I want this one inline on the forum

[Husker]

I think the first mistake was to get out of the car.

Figger ya gotta when asked to? I have never been asked to step out. Cant be a goood outcome when it happens though. Instant red flag that something aint right

I agree. I think it would be time to simply ask if you are under arrest, and simply refuse to comply if you are not, and certainly time to flip the phone up, and start filming.

H.

[MuleKicker]

never thought of that H. Publicity has got to be there worst enemy. Great idea.

[rtalbigr]

this is what happened to you,

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=38862" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Filmmaker Releases Video Breakdown Of Illegal Traffic Stop By Cop Who Harassed Him

I'll be damned, change a few minor details, and that's exaxctly what happened to me. Thing is, it's a catch 22, just like in the video. The cop has decided he's gonna search your vehicle and he's gonna tell as many lies as is necessary to accomplish his goal. So, it gets down to how much BS you're willing to go through just so you can get on your way.

A few years back I got arrested for disorderly conduct because I said to a cop, "Man, ya don't have to be an asshole." I tend to say what I'm thinkin and he was really bein an asshole. When I got to jail I refused to make any statements, refused to sign any documents, I basically refused to admit they had any authority over me. Some thought it humorous, some got really pissed at me and were verbally abusive. In the end nothing came of it. I was out of jail in about 12 hrs.

I guess my point is how far are we willing to go to say to these people, you have no right to do what you are doing, you are voilating my rights as gauranteed under MY constitution?

Big R

[cob]

I think the first mistake was to get out of the car.

Figger ya gotta when asked to? I have never been asked to step out. Cant be a goood outcome when it happens though. Instant red flag that something aint right

I agree. I think it would be time to simply ask if you are under arrest, and simply refuse to comply if you are not, and certainly time to flip the phone up, and start filming.

H.

husker; cops are beating bystanders on a regular basis for filming
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-01-27 ... s-illegal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow this is only one example.
if you are the suspect imagine the reaction. this is common all over the u.s. how many stitches do you want?
land of the free my A$$. C.O.B.


p.s. yes there are good cops somewhere but they seam to be out numbered or overshadowed.

[LWTCS]

Some of them coppers are roid raged and poorly trained....They lookin to crack a few skulls....Thats why they wuz hired and thats how they get motivated to start their shift....Sad but true that they automatically assume everyone they come in contact with while they on the clock is criminal element.
Sorry for generalizing to the law enforcement professionals that are capable of excersizing good judgement and have sound interpersonal communicating skills.
No offense intended.

[white_likker1]

Know your rights, both Federal and local. If you are right, stand your ground. I guess it doesn't help that I am a conspiracy theorist. But big brother is taking over. Here is the correct way to stand up for yourself when you are in the right,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0En_sdsy ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

[rgarry]

That guy has been through that before. Most average joes would just do what the police say. Hat off to that guy.

[MuleKicker]

There are some criminals that need to get there skull thumped. No question about that. Imagine the cops that deal with those guys just testing there patience. Then the cop looses his cool with the regular joe. Im not defending the bad ones. But they got a hard job.
Say they chase the basterd gang banger down the alley with gun drawn. the gangbanger is cornered with his hand in his pocket. How many times does that cop have to say "hands on your head, get on the ground" The only thing going through that cops head is, what if the gang banger pulls a gun out of his pocket? the cop has about .1 seconds to decide whether the guy is a threat, adrenaline pumping. Now, the gangbanger pulls a BB gun out of his pocket. Looks real. Cop kills him dead. And the cop gets prosecuted, because the kid didnt have a real gun.

[cob]

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured……but not everyone must prove they are a citizen" - unknown

[Husker]

unknown, but wise.

[retlaw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wafMaML ... r_embedded#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow!

it 's not going to take much to teacher our children when stuff like this is going on,,

[Husker]

Not really a 'cops out of control', but worse in many ways

[likkerluvver]

We all want to be safe at all times, especially when we fly BUT..... This video suggests ridiculous procedures used by totalitarian regimes.

There is a fine line between maintaining security and preserving civil liberty. I can't believe that we (in "The West") are sleepwalking towards state control reminiscent of totalitarianism. It reminds me of what happened in Germany in the 20's and 30's - people looked the other way until it was too late. It is time to start looking at this stuff and making a noise in appropriate places.

[rtalbigr]

I watched Stossel on Fox last night, "Everything Illegal." They got a law for everything and are making more laws every day. Basically, pretty much anything we do is illegal someway or other. If the cops want to stop you, search you, arrest you, there is a law somewhere that will allow them to do it. They can arrest you and figure it out later. We have evolved to a country where our government has the ability to control our actions if it deems that necessary. By passing more and more laws our government has become self sustaining.

Where is John Galt when we need him?

Big R

[LWTCS]

And George Carlin

[Husker]

or George Washington, and John Adams

[Washashore]

Here is the SAME scenario that you described Big R. A star trek fan made a documentary about it!

[Country Pete]

I am sorry to hear the HP made a difficult time even more uncomfortable. This is just my humble opinion. Using the dog is crap. They do that because if they ask you if they can look at your car and you say "I don't consent to searches. Can I go now?" they are stuck (unless you stink like booze or smell like wacky weed). All they have to do is tap the car and jerk the leash and the dog will go nuts. Its a really crude way of getting to search your car without probable cause. If the police ever ask if they search your car always reply "I am sorry officer, but I never consent to searches." This may not get them to leave you alone and they may just call a dog unit in. But if the police do a search without your consent and do not bring in a canine unit and they do happen to find something your supposed buddy left in your car your lawyer will at least have some grounds to toss out the search. Never ever ever consent to a search. They are fishing at least and may plant something at worst. Finally, not all cops are bad people, I have a few buddies that are cops and they are really good people, however, there are those who really get off by pissing on folks so never consent to a search, never invite a cop inside your home, and always make sure you know your lawyers number. Sorry, I'll step off the soap box now.

[retlaw]

tsa is dumber then you guys think,
this is a great example of their levels of ignorance,


U.S Army W.T.F! moments

As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the following:

When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards. Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the Indiana National Guard. That's where the stupid started.
First, everyone was forced to get off the plane-even though the plane wasn't refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a male/female latrine.

It's probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons. Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren't loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.

The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it re-inspected. Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area, the TSA decided not to re-inspect our Cargo-just to inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected, re-inspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever. So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.

This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying pistols.

So we're in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they're going to confiscate his nail clippers.

The conversation went something like this:
TSA Guy: You can't take those on the plane.
Soldier: What? I've had them since we left country.
TSA Guy: You're not suppose to have them.
Soldier: Why?
TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.
Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I'm allowed to take it on.
TSA Guy: Yeah but you can't use it to take over the plane. You don't have bullets.
Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?
TSA Guy: [awkward silence]
Me: Dude, just give him your F**K**G nail clippers so we can get the F**K out of here. I'll buy you a new set.
Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]

To top it off, the TSA demanded we all be swabbed for "explosive residue" detection. Everyone failed, [go figure, we just came home from a war zone], because we tested positive for "Gun Powder Residue". Who the Hell is hiring these people?

This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine guns-but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.

Can someone please tell me What the hell happened to OUR country while we were gone?
Sgt. Mad Dog Tracy — with Transportation Security Agency and Suki French.

[rtalbigr]

retlaw, crap like that makes me want to throw up. When my tour of duty in Panama was up back in '72 they flew us into Savannah. We walked straight through Customs, they didn't even look at us. We were all in fatigues. I had a Gerber MK (double edged combat knife) on my belt and a lot of the other guys had KaBars. To me it just unthinkable that those who risk everything to protect our country are treated with such disrespect.

Big R

[johnny108]

I had something similar happen to me when I got back from Afghanistan. I set off the sniffer. EVERY single explosive they test for- I tested positive so high- I "flooded" the machine. (go figure, me being EOD, and all) I had checked in my weapon, but had a lot of tools. I was lucky to have a more easily intimidated TSA guy searching me.

[Prairiepiss]

That is stupid. I remember coming home from the same place in the early 90s relaw. In Philly 200+ of us got off the plane. All our people about 150 were transferring to one of our plains for the rest of the trip. All of us had gerbers knives and god knows what else on us. But we all walked right through the metal detectors. It sounded like a constant beep. No one batter an eye. The security guards didn't even look at us. And once we got through the gates there was a large group of people giving us a welcome home. Gave us drinks and food. Set there for a minute. Then our group walked right out the door onto the tarmac. Walked about 100 yards out to our plane. Hand loaded all our crap. All the while no one even acted like they knew we were there.

Times have changed. Not even close for the better.

[rad14701]

retlaw, that just goes to show how much our members of the military are considered to be dispensable peons here at home... You're like an empty soda can - most would rather toss you to the roadside than do the right thing and recycle you for the five cent deposit... I guess you should be thankful that you weren't left in the war theater with the rest of the military equipment... Perhaps harsh, but true - unfortunately...

Glad you're home...