Optimum temp.

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dStill
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Optimum temp.

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Hi All! I'm new to this, Its my second run and I'm hoping for some clarification on what the optimum temperature is.

First, My Rig.

Mine is a Nixen-Stone Offset head Reflux Still.
I designed it from Matts Offset head still as posted in the offset head still photo section.
I'm heating with propane, and the boiler is a 50 litre keg with a copper screw-on collar soldered to it.
I'm using A digital thermometer.

My Question is This.

Alcohol Vaporizes at 78 C.

The instructions on this site say to stop collecting at 82 C.

So if i collect at 79 C.-81C will the product be less pure?

Will the product more pure if i only collect at 78 C?

Or will it be totally Pure until i hit 82 C?

Thanks so much for any insight into this, i cant find an answer in the books i have, or on the internet.
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50 Litre keg/ VM Head/ 2inch by 4ft column/ SS scrubbies/ Propane Burner
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Re: Optimum temp.

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The product will never be totally pure... The purest that a Nixon Stone offset head reflux column will produce is ~95%... That goes for all but vacuum stills... See these charts for a better understanding of the temperature relationship of wash and distillate to purity...
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Re: Optimum temp.

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If your reflux still is working right, the temp should stay steady at around 79*C for 95% of the run. During the last 5% of the run, the temp will climb and ABV will drop quite rapidly.
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Re: Optimum temp.

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As much as I love to watch temperatures on my thermocouples - I realize that it's not the best way to judge when I should make cuts. Test them first by putting them in boiling water and ice water. If you're off by just ONE degree, you're plan to make a cut between 81 and 82 degrees is going to waste a lot of good stuff or introduce unwanted stuff.

Use the temperature as a guide and a sanity check, but make your cuts by smell and taste.
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Re: Optimum temp.

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Thanks guy's I think i understand much better now, (the graph was a big help) my still stabilizes at 78.5c-78.6c then starts to climb quickly at the end of the run. As I understand it, at that point the % of ethanol starts going down, so that's when i make my cut and save the rest for re-distillation. soon I'll make a way to measure % as i go along, that should help.

thanks for the info guy's!
Fairies, black, grey, green, and white, You moonshine revelers, and shades of night. -Shakespeare (1st known reference to "Moonshine"
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Post by Hawke »

dStill wrote: soon I'll make a way to measure % as i go along, that should help.
That's called a 'parrot's beak' or eprovette. Between a thermo and a parrot, you would have all the info you need. (except for the taste buds and sniffer)
It is the very things that we think we know, that keep us from learning what we should know.
Valved Reflux, 3"x54" Bok 'mini', 2 liebig based pots and the 'Blockhead' 60K btu propane heat
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