First time distiller new still. Help

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Andyfink
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First time distiller new still. Help

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Hey everybody. I need some help i have ran this still once with just a sugar wash. This is a reflux still right?
I have read alot on how to run it I'm just not sure if I'm doing to right. Since it's refluxing how would I get the methanol out. Does it stay at the tope while it reflux's or does it go back into the wash? Thanks for your help.
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You have there a complete and well made reflux still. Is there a handle on the tiny little tap? That's where the product comes out. When tap is closed all condensed alcohols go along the little horizontal pipe and into the column for refluxing. Opening the tap so it drips slowly will draw off a portion of liquid into your container while the remainder gets refluxed.

I have to ask...
Did you ferment the sugar wash?
Did you connect cooling water lines to the bent tubes right at the top?
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Yes there is a valve on it I can open and close. i fermented out the sugar wash. hooked up the water tubes and I used a water pump and pumped it all through the top. I think I need a refresher course on how to run it. Fermenting the stuff is easy for me since I do beer and cider.
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Nice looking single valved offset head design, Andyfink... I've always favored the single valve variation over the original dual valve design... Keep us posted on how it performs...

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Great to see your reply! Clicking this link will put you in the picture: site:http://homedistiller.org/forum running a reflux

Basically, start with the valve closed and the coolant running. Fire it up hot and fast until the boiler pushes vapors up the column and it reads 77*C on the thermometer at the top of the column.

Watch out, the thermometer does nothing for a long time and then suddenly starts to race up. At 77*c turn the heat nice and low, let it reflux for 30 or 40 mins at low heat. The vapor temp should settle to a steady 78.1*C +or-at the top.

Open the take-off valve(small tap) to 2 drips per second. Throw the first 150ml into a meths container. The next few jars will be heads and no good to drink. They will be hot and burning to taste.

The temp will automatically climb to 78.2*C +or- . The good stuff is coming through. Open the tap to about 4 drips/sec, and increase the heat a little. There must always be more liquids running back down the column than what youre letting drip out, so more drips means more heat to keep that surplus overflowing into the reflux.

Keep collecting the good stuff until the temp climbs to 78.3 or 4*C. You can keep the temp below 78.4* by going back to 3 or 2 drips/sec by closing the valve a little.

As soon as you can smell a skanky smell in your take-off it's done. Don't let any of that skank get into your good stuff.

Put a new jar under the take-off and collect the tails for future re-running. Here you can open the tap full(no reflux) and turn up the heat. The temp will climb rapidly into the 90's, I would quit when it hits 98*c.

The heads and tails can be run again and more good stuff can be got out of them.
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Thank you very much for that responce. thats just what i needed. now i have a electric heating element in the side of the keg. is that a bad thing cause i cant cant control the heat going into it? Im pretty sure i can get the hang of it. it doesn't seem to hard.(i hope)
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Using an electric element without power control can work by balancing everything else around it. Better a low power element. It will take longer to heat up the boiler but will be more manageable for the rest of the run.

First the condenser - it must condense all the vapors that the fixed-power element can throw up. If vapors are getting out the vent hole at the top of the column... you can't turn down the heat but you can turn up the coolant flowing through the condenser.

Next the reflux - you will have to make the best of it by balancing the take-off/reflux, and the coolant flow. Remember the more reflux, the cooler the column. Reflux is COOLED condensates being thrown back into the column which will suck out heat from the vapors rising up.

Whoever made your still may have figgered it out. If there are any notes lying around they will be a great help.

Some stillers have 2 elements in the boiler. Both on for heat-up, then switch one of them off for the rest of the run.

Then there is the variac or triac type of electric power controller. Search here for those names for a lot of info. A light dimmer or power tool controller will not do it, nor will a thermostat type oven controller.
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The exact temperature can vary a bit, depending on the barometric pressure and the purity of the vapour. You are looking for the pattern of temperature change, not exact numbers. For example, I would not be concerned if the hearts come over at 78.5ºC.
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Maybe I am not seeing it correctly but it looks like a cap has been installed on top of the condenser.

Did you drill your cooling lines through a cap?
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Thank you again for your help. Ok I will def look that up. The top condensor does have a cap and it is drilled at the top for the two lines to come through and it also has a much bigger hole drilled in the cap in the middle. And a small hole at the top of the colum for a digital thermometer. When I got the still it was explained to me but I didn't get a chance to really go over it with him. Im starting my sugar wash this week I will keep everyone posted on the results. Thank you for the help!
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The word "CAP" can be read in Yiddish as "BOMB"
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hey andy, nice rig. do a google search for "home distillation apparatus" i think you will find all you need to know. i believe that is the exact still described in the above literature. good luck
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