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This isn't really my first still - it's actually my third - but it's the first one I'm really proud of. I haven't gotten a chance to run it yet, hopefully I can get in a cleaning run over the weekend.
It's designed to operate as a standard CM column still, or as what I'm calling a 'semi-continuous' beer-stripping still for lack of a better word, or of course as a pot still (by not putting any water through the reflux condenser), by adjusting the valves at the top of the liebig.
The idea of the 'semi-continuous' mode is that wash is fed into the bottom of the liebig, and in condensing vapours, it's heated up enough that by the time it reaches the top of the liebig, it's near its boiling point. At that point, it's fed into the top of the column. This idea is based on the still used to make Armagnac, which is a brandy that's apparently made in a single continuous distillation without cuts (I've never tried Armagnac - I've seen the price tag and recoiled in horror, clutching my wallet).
It's only 'semi' continuous, because there is no drain - you can continuously input wash only until the boiler is full, then you have to switch to feeding the liebig with water, and drain the coolant back out to the coolant bucket as with a normal still.
The boiler is a beer keg with a 1500 W electric element. By my math, that should be enough to strip about 18L/hour of 9% wash, and the same heat, dumped from the vapour into the coolant, would be enough to heat 18L/our of 9% wash from 20C to its boiling point. Of course that's assuming the whole thing works with perfect efficiency, which it won't - some trial runs should reveal what it really can do.
It's designed to operate as a standard CM column still, or as what I'm calling a 'semi-continuous' beer-stripping still for lack of a better word, or of course as a pot still (by not putting any water through the reflux condenser), by adjusting the valves at the top of the liebig.
The idea of the 'semi-continuous' mode is that wash is fed into the bottom of the liebig, and in condensing vapours, it's heated up enough that by the time it reaches the top of the liebig, it's near its boiling point. At that point, it's fed into the top of the column. This idea is based on the still used to make Armagnac, which is a brandy that's apparently made in a single continuous distillation without cuts (I've never tried Armagnac - I've seen the price tag and recoiled in horror, clutching my wallet).
It's only 'semi' continuous, because there is no drain - you can continuously input wash only until the boiler is full, then you have to switch to feeding the liebig with water, and drain the coolant back out to the coolant bucket as with a normal still.
The boiler is a beer keg with a 1500 W electric element. By my math, that should be enough to strip about 18L/hour of 9% wash, and the same heat, dumped from the vapour into the coolant, would be enough to heat 18L/our of 9% wash from 20C to its boiling point. Of course that's assuming the whole thing works with perfect efficiency, which it won't - some trial runs should reveal what it really can do.
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That's an interesting design! Let me know if and how it works. Do you have packing in your column? And how do you regulate pumping in enough coolant (mash) to make it to the boiling point? Curious! Odin.
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I've seen mention several times of similar designs and here is one aspect I find troubling... You say that the boiler will gradually fill with that you are considering spent wash... However, what happens as the reflux drops into the wash in the boiler which will not remain at what you are thinking of as being pure water...??? The wash in the boiler, whether a small amount or a full boiler, helps determine the vapor temperature in the column... Therefore you are always going to be playing still-jockey because the %ABV of the wash in the boiler will be changing the vapor temperature at the top of the column which in turn changes the %ABV of the spirits collected... In fact I was just tossing this concept around over the 4th. of July weekend... There is a better answer based on some theory...
So you want to build a continuous distillation column...??? What's the most efficient yet simplest way to do so...??? To have a heating element mounted in the bottom of the column and a drain point well above the top of the element to insure that it remains submerged... From here things can get a bit tricky... Regardless of where you locate your feed point you need to know roughly what the %ABV of you wash is... Why...??? Because if you have a 10% wash you need to make sure your drain is producing 9 drips for every drip of spirits collected (10% Alcohol and 90% Water)... Now in practical application this ratio might vary depending on the actual %ABV of the spirits collected... But, needless to say, you always need to have more spent wash flowing out the drain than out the product condenser... And another good tool to have for such a setup would be a cooled parrots beak and alcometer monitoring the spent wash because this will help in determining the amount of heat input required... Such a setup could be made to work somewhat efficiently for CM or VM but I'd have gut feeling doubts as to whether it would be as well suited for VM... As for feed point, I'd be leaning towards 1/3 - 1/2 way up the column packing... Now, this is all pure speculation, based on overactive gray matter but surely more feasible and controllable than an ever filling boiler...
Just my two cents...
So you want to build a continuous distillation column...??? What's the most efficient yet simplest way to do so...??? To have a heating element mounted in the bottom of the column and a drain point well above the top of the element to insure that it remains submerged... From here things can get a bit tricky... Regardless of where you locate your feed point you need to know roughly what the %ABV of you wash is... Why...??? Because if you have a 10% wash you need to make sure your drain is producing 9 drips for every drip of spirits collected (10% Alcohol and 90% Water)... Now in practical application this ratio might vary depending on the actual %ABV of the spirits collected... But, needless to say, you always need to have more spent wash flowing out the drain than out the product condenser... And another good tool to have for such a setup would be a cooled parrots beak and alcometer monitoring the spent wash because this will help in determining the amount of heat input required... Such a setup could be made to work somewhat efficiently for CM or VM but I'd have gut feeling doubts as to whether it would be as well suited for VM... As for feed point, I'd be leaning towards 1/3 - 1/2 way up the column packing... Now, this is all pure speculation, based on overactive gray matter but surely more feasible and controllable than an ever filling boiler...
Just my two cents...
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I knew I would get you thinking about it Rad.
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Rad - you're describing something much more ambitious than I'm shooting for. I'm not after a continous distillation column that will output azeotropic ethanol at one end, and completely spent wash at the other.
If this works with what I'm considering 100% efficiency, what I'll get will be a steady output of close to 46% ABV low wines (the equilibrium for a 9% liquid), and a gradually filling boiler full of wash at less than 1% ABV. Then when the wash runs out, the boiler is full enough, or I want to go to bed soon, I switch the input of the liebig from wash to water, and its output from draining into the boiler to draining back into the coolant bucket. At that point I'd just be running a plain old pot still that seems to have jumped from early on in the run to way down deep in tails. I might only have to run that way for 15-20 minutes before it's ready to shut down.
I expect not to get quite to 100% efficiency in practice, meaning the output ABV would creep gradually down from 46% as the run progresses, and I might have to run it in pot-still mode for 30 or 45 minutes before I'm ready to shut down the run.
Even if that's the case, it means I'll have saved a considerable amount of time, as well as some energy and water - as long as the 'semi-continuous' part of the run is going, I'm using the same heat twice, to boil off vapour and again to heat wash up to boiling, and I'm not ending up with a bunch of heat dumped into coolant water that I would have to keep replenishing.
So, you're way ahead of me, and at the same time, I'm way ahead of you. Or something.
If this works with what I'm considering 100% efficiency, what I'll get will be a steady output of close to 46% ABV low wines (the equilibrium for a 9% liquid), and a gradually filling boiler full of wash at less than 1% ABV. Then when the wash runs out, the boiler is full enough, or I want to go to bed soon, I switch the input of the liebig from wash to water, and its output from draining into the boiler to draining back into the coolant bucket. At that point I'd just be running a plain old pot still that seems to have jumped from early on in the run to way down deep in tails. I might only have to run that way for 15-20 minutes before it's ready to shut down.
I expect not to get quite to 100% efficiency in practice, meaning the output ABV would creep gradually down from 46% as the run progresses, and I might have to run it in pot-still mode for 30 or 45 minutes before I'm ready to shut down the run.
Even if that's the case, it means I'll have saved a considerable amount of time, as well as some energy and water - as long as the 'semi-continuous' part of the run is going, I'm using the same heat twice, to boil off vapour and again to heat wash up to boiling, and I'm not ending up with a bunch of heat dumped into coolant water that I would have to keep replenishing.
So, you're way ahead of me, and at the same time, I'm way ahead of you. Or something.
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Are you wanting to make Armagnac? Unlike Cognac production, which is mostly owned by international conglomerates, Armagnac production is still an independent and small scale activity, for the most part. So say my French friends. That might explain its high cost. Good luck.
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Ok so I'm stupid and can't figure this out. So I will just ask.dragonfrog wrote: It's only 'semi' continuous, because there is no drain - you can continuously input wash only until the boiler is full, then you have to switch to feeding the liebig with water, and drain the coolant back out to the coolant bucket as with a normal still.
What is the point. If you can only feed it till the boiler is full. Why not start out with a full boiler and just do a normal batch run? How much will you really gain by doing this?
Sory I just really don't understand the interest in continuous stills for producing drinkable spirits by hobbyists. And I am trying to understand.
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What is the point. If you can only feed it till the boiler is full.
Why not start out with a full boiler and just do a normal batch run? How much will you really gain by doing this?
Note that I am using propane for heating and can turn on the heat as soon as the bottom of the boiler is covered, while filling or re-filling through the tap.
You can't do that with electricity, you need to have the element covered with an additional safety margin, or, BOOM!
And of course I am talking about a pot still.
I am thinking of doing something the same.
(Mine is in fact an ancient idea, you can find diagrams on the web of the old Arab distillers using this system of distillation and pre-heating.)
I use a worm-in-a-big-bucket condenser; and when I get this set up I will have the lyne arm going through the bottom of a double stainless steel sink, 40 litres per side, for pre-heating the wash. Insulated, with a lid, and a pipe to the top of the (fifty liter) boiler, with a tap.
(Got the sink for fifteen bucks but it cost eighty to have the pipe soldered through the sink; around six feet of maybe inch-and-a-quarter copper tube that I had lying around).
Start with maybe 1/5 or 1/4 boiler -full of cold mash; that will start distillation quite quickly.
Then start very gradually (later, faster) feeding pre-warmed wash to the boiler (so as not to stop the wash from boiling).
It doesn't take a lot of wash to be boiled to produce enough hot vapour to pre-warm a lot of liquid, and anyway I would not have the pre-warming vessel more than half full at the start.
The difference (I think) in my system (compared to the one under discussion) is that I have a drain cock near the bottom of the boiler; when the boiler gets close to full (having been happily distilling all this time) I will;
turn off the heat
empty the boiler through the drain cock
start to re-fill the boiler with pre-warmed mash (possibly only at first to say 1/4 full for even quicker re-start to distillation)
turn on the heat (as soon as the bottom of the boiler is well covered, that is, almost immediately)
and off we go again; time expended with the fire off, maybe five minutes. Time between stop and re-start of actual distillation.....fifteen minutes???
It would be best to have a sight glass on the boiler so as to be able to continuously monitor the mash level, something not done yet.
Disadvantage, you have to monitor levels and tap settings a bit. But you have to be there anyway....
Advantages; quick initial start to distillation (with the small quantity in the boiler at first.)
Capturing waste heat (and that quick start to distillation) should save at least a third in fuel cost, and probably the same in time.
Though you won't get the full advantage unless you do two boilers-full, say.
But you wouldn't even THINK about a continuous still unless you were going to do that much, would you?
Why not start out with a full boiler and just do a normal batch run? How much will you really gain by doing this?
Note that I am using propane for heating and can turn on the heat as soon as the bottom of the boiler is covered, while filling or re-filling through the tap.
You can't do that with electricity, you need to have the element covered with an additional safety margin, or, BOOM!
And of course I am talking about a pot still.
I am thinking of doing something the same.
(Mine is in fact an ancient idea, you can find diagrams on the web of the old Arab distillers using this system of distillation and pre-heating.)
I use a worm-in-a-big-bucket condenser; and when I get this set up I will have the lyne arm going through the bottom of a double stainless steel sink, 40 litres per side, for pre-heating the wash. Insulated, with a lid, and a pipe to the top of the (fifty liter) boiler, with a tap.
(Got the sink for fifteen bucks but it cost eighty to have the pipe soldered through the sink; around six feet of maybe inch-and-a-quarter copper tube that I had lying around).
Start with maybe 1/5 or 1/4 boiler -full of cold mash; that will start distillation quite quickly.
Then start very gradually (later, faster) feeding pre-warmed wash to the boiler (so as not to stop the wash from boiling).
It doesn't take a lot of wash to be boiled to produce enough hot vapour to pre-warm a lot of liquid, and anyway I would not have the pre-warming vessel more than half full at the start.
The difference (I think) in my system (compared to the one under discussion) is that I have a drain cock near the bottom of the boiler; when the boiler gets close to full (having been happily distilling all this time) I will;
turn off the heat
empty the boiler through the drain cock
start to re-fill the boiler with pre-warmed mash (possibly only at first to say 1/4 full for even quicker re-start to distillation)
turn on the heat (as soon as the bottom of the boiler is well covered, that is, almost immediately)
and off we go again; time expended with the fire off, maybe five minutes. Time between stop and re-start of actual distillation.....fifteen minutes???
It would be best to have a sight glass on the boiler so as to be able to continuously monitor the mash level, something not done yet.
Disadvantage, you have to monitor levels and tap settings a bit. But you have to be there anyway....
Advantages; quick initial start to distillation (with the small quantity in the boiler at first.)
Capturing waste heat (and that quick start to distillation) should save at least a third in fuel cost, and probably the same in time.
Though you won't get the full advantage unless you do two boilers-full, say.
But you wouldn't even THINK about a continuous still unless you were going to do that much, would you?
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You weren't talkin about blanik's magnum opus were you?hackware wrote:sum peeps fart n church jus 4 da reaction...
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who...?The Baker wrote:You weren't talkin about blanik's magnum opus were you?hackware wrote:sum peeps fart n church jus 4 da reaction...
me...?
i knows better than insult my betters...
at least till i know more than them...
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Well, I can only answer this for myself.Prairiepiss wrote: What is the point. If you can only feed it till the boiler is full. Why not start out with a full boiler and just do a normal batch run? How much will you really gain by doing this?]
Go to http://homedistiller.org/calcs/husker_pot_calc_v2.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow and plug in numbers for a beer stripping run of 50 L of 9% beer, using only a 1500 W element. You'll see the result is: 2:40 heat up time, and about 5:30 to run until the output is below 10%. That's over eight hours, plus setup and and cleanup time.
Now put in 10 L (just enough to keep the element well covered), and the heatup time is about 30 minutes. If somehow I managed to get the column so perfectly packed that the wash was almost completely stripped by the time it reached the boiler, I could get through the remaining 40 L of wash in around 2 1/2 hours. If I'm efficient at setting up and tearing down, I could have the whole run done in four hours - less than half the time of a standard pot still run.
And that's why I'm doing this - so I can keep my my hobby, and get to see my wife and kid.
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The one issue that keeps creeping up is that when you add fresh wash into the boiler the %ABV of the wash keeps changing... And as the wash progresses the amount of water to alcohol increases... And you are only doing a stripping run because you always have foreshots, heads, hearts, and tails, as part of the boiler charge... I'm seeing far more smearing than I think you are considering - unless you aren't expecting clean low wines...
Are you looking to have the boiler auto-fill as a rate close to equal to the take off rate...???
1500W doesn't sound like enough power as the run progresses and the boiler gradually fills... At least not for a true stripping run...
Why not try this scenario with a regular pot still and see how things go first... I'm just very skeptical that a reflux column would perform well at all if run like this... Maybe I should move to "The SHow Me State"...
Are you looking to have the boiler auto-fill as a rate close to equal to the take off rate...???
1500W doesn't sound like enough power as the run progresses and the boiler gradually fills... At least not for a true stripping run...
Why not try this scenario with a regular pot still and see how things go first... I'm just very skeptical that a reflux column would perform well at all if run like this... Maybe I should move to "The SHow Me State"...
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Plus 1rad14701 wrote:The one issue that keeps creeping up is that when you add fresh wash into the boiler the %ABV of the wash keeps changing... And as the wash progresses the amount of water to alcohol increases... And you are only doing a stripping run because you always have foreshots, heads, hearts, and tails, as part of the boiler charge... I'm seeing far more smearing than I think you are considering - unless you aren't expecting clean low wines...
Are you looking to have the boiler auto-fill as a rate close to equal to the take off rate...???
1500W doesn't sound like enough power as the run progresses and the boiler gradually fills... At least not for a true stripping run...
Why not try this scenario with a regular pot still and see how things go first... I'm just very skeptical that a reflux column would perform well at all if run like this... Maybe I should move to "The SHow Me State"...
I don’t see where this would have a chance of functioning. You will have changing wash ABV and changing boiler temps. There are so many variables that I am not sure how you would get past them.
Are you just trying to save power? Time? Build a new wheel?
It would be easier to jump into full continuous distilling to get some consistent issues to deal with.
Consistent wash of 10%. Consistent power to boiler, consistent rate of feed and drain to a consistent size of boiler charge.
You would get result then. I am not sure of what the results would be because I have not built one yet but at least you would have some control over the outcome.
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Wouldn't adding another element or a larger one been cheaper? It just seams like a lot of work just to do a stripping run? And to much smearing for a spirit run? But what do I know? Have fun let us know how it works out for you.
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how about 10 barrels on a staircase, with each barrel pouring into the one below, where the bottom barrel is the boiler, which has a sump pump drawing off the dregs, and a magic monkey drinking all the foreshots...
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Now you're talking my language!hackware wrote:how about 10 barrels on a staircase, with each barrel pouring into the one below, where the bottom barrel is the boiler, which has a sump pump drawing off the dregs, and a magic monkey drinking all the foreshots...
Much in the same vein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgbWu8zJubo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
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Hmmm....shaping reality to fit a poor design...Brilliant!
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Well, didn't get in the run I had hoped - I started a beer, so my boiler was called into duty as a brew kettle. Also, drinking a lot of whiskey on Saturday night doesn't lead to a very productive Sunday. Funny that.
I did get in a brief test run of water, just to check for leaks. There was one small cooling water leak at the bottom of the liebig. Try as I might, I couldn't get any solder to flow into the join there, so I just glooped it up with silicone - it doesn't come into contact with anything hot or high in alcohol, and it's food/aquarium-grade stuff so the tiny amount of contact with cool wash doesn't have me worried.
I first ran without any coolant for a short while, to make sure the vapour path all the way down to the bottom of the liebig got blasted properly with steam, to clean it and dislodge as much solder flux as possible. Then I turned on the coolant and distilled about a pint of vile, flux-y smelling water, before shutting down.
I did tinker a bit with regulating the rate of flow from the top of the liebig into the top of the column. I didn't use a stopwatch or anything, but I did manage to get the wash going in at a pretty slow and steady rate. Maybe this idea of regulating it close to 18L/hr isn't entirely hare-brained. We'll see...
Since I was only dealing with water, I didn't worry too much about the gasket for the triclamp. Turns out a slice of rye bread with a hole ripped in the middle doesn't work worth a darn, in case anyone was wondering.
I did get in a brief test run of water, just to check for leaks. There was one small cooling water leak at the bottom of the liebig. Try as I might, I couldn't get any solder to flow into the join there, so I just glooped it up with silicone - it doesn't come into contact with anything hot or high in alcohol, and it's food/aquarium-grade stuff so the tiny amount of contact with cool wash doesn't have me worried.
I first ran without any coolant for a short while, to make sure the vapour path all the way down to the bottom of the liebig got blasted properly with steam, to clean it and dislodge as much solder flux as possible. Then I turned on the coolant and distilled about a pint of vile, flux-y smelling water, before shutting down.
I did tinker a bit with regulating the rate of flow from the top of the liebig into the top of the column. I didn't use a stopwatch or anything, but I did manage to get the wash going in at a pretty slow and steady rate. Maybe this idea of regulating it close to 18L/hr isn't entirely hare-brained. We'll see...
Since I was only dealing with water, I didn't worry too much about the gasket for the triclamp. Turns out a slice of rye bread with a hole ripped in the middle doesn't work worth a darn, in case anyone was wondering.
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Trick is, that would also require running another electrical circuit out to my garage - there's only a single 15 amp connection out there now, so I want to make the most efficient use of a little 1500 W element. As it is, the wife can blow that breaker if she forgets I'm stilling out there and decides to make some toast.Prairiepiss wrote:Wouldn't adding another element or a larger one been cheaper? It just seams like a lot of work just to do a stripping run?
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You really should not run the still for a drinkable product until you have done a cleaning run followed by a sacrificial ethanol run (which should be discarded or kept for future cleaning runs).dragonfrog wrote:Well, didn't get in the run I had hoped ..... I did get in a brief test run of water, just to check for leaks. ... Then I turned on the coolant and distilled about a pint of vile, flux-y smelling water, before shutting down.
Hopefully I am just misreading but it sounded like you were hoping to get a product run in, couldn't so ran a plain water run instead. There are lots of nasties that will remain in the vapor path until cleaned out with a good acidic run followed by an ethanol run.
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Lord no! I have about 50 L of sugar wash fermented and cleared for a sacrificial stripping run. No way would I drink the first thing coming off that still.
I hadn't been thinking of doing a vinegar run in addition to the sacrificial alcohol run, but I guess I can easily enough preload the boiler with water and vinegar, run that awhile maybe even without condensing it - again, to make sure steam scours the whole thing out properly - then start condensing and intro the sugar wash. Probably couldn't quite fit 50L in there on top of the 10-12 L starting charge, but if I'm forced to I could keep a little of the sugar wash back and make something drinkable with it later...
I hadn't been thinking of doing a vinegar run in addition to the sacrificial alcohol run, but I guess I can easily enough preload the boiler with water and vinegar, run that awhile maybe even without condensing it - again, to make sure steam scours the whole thing out properly - then start condensing and intro the sugar wash. Probably couldn't quite fit 50L in there on top of the 10-12 L starting charge, but if I'm forced to I could keep a little of the sugar wash back and make something drinkable with it later...
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Re: Semi-continuous still
Excellent, sounds like your on top of things.
Good luck with your runs!
Good luck with your runs!
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Re: Semi-continuous still
I did the cleaning run a while ago now. As a pot still, it works nicely, but the continuous operation thing is a bit of a wash-out as it is now.
The problem I has was getting accurate enough control over the flow rate, when I don't have any sort of sight glass or flow detector along the feed line. I'd alternate between not feeding any wash into the boiler, and feeding so much that the boil stopped for a moment and I had to cut back again.
In the end, I just ran it as a regular pot still until the wash that was serving as coolant got up to about 50 C - any warmer and the distillate started visibly steaming a bit. Then switched the valves around so that lot of wash got fed into the boiler, filled the cooling bucket with another batch of cool wash, and let the boiler come back up to steam. It maybe saved me a bit of time on the heat-up, but not as much as I would have liked.
Thinking as a compulsive complicator, my thought now is maybe to have a computer controlled stepper motor pump, so I could leave the feed valve wide open, and control the flow rate at the pump. Next time I can't fight off the urge to tinker with something, maybe that will be the project.
For now, I have a nice CM still with an extra valve and a couple of extra bits of pipe.
The problem I has was getting accurate enough control over the flow rate, when I don't have any sort of sight glass or flow detector along the feed line. I'd alternate between not feeding any wash into the boiler, and feeding so much that the boil stopped for a moment and I had to cut back again.
In the end, I just ran it as a regular pot still until the wash that was serving as coolant got up to about 50 C - any warmer and the distillate started visibly steaming a bit. Then switched the valves around so that lot of wash got fed into the boiler, filled the cooling bucket with another batch of cool wash, and let the boiler come back up to steam. It maybe saved me a bit of time on the heat-up, but not as much as I would have liked.
Thinking as a compulsive complicator, my thought now is maybe to have a computer controlled stepper motor pump, so I could leave the feed valve wide open, and control the flow rate at the pump. Next time I can't fight off the urge to tinker with something, maybe that will be the project.
For now, I have a nice CM still with an extra valve and a couple of extra bits of pipe.
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Re: Semi-continuous still
Lots to be said for a good cleaning run. Makes for clean drink.
Like you say, get the steam up (with dilute vinegar) and let it go a while, then start condensing. Any blue vinegar collected makes a great dunny cleaner.
Lots to be said for automation, leave that to the commercial guys.
Lots to be said for being able to run a pot still with continuous results.
I reckon you could delete the cross tubes and angle the leibig to above horozontal for a short distance to achieve the same effect with a more consistent quality output, IMO.
And whats wrong with farting in church?
"Better out than in, I always say"- Shrek (I may have infringed a disney copyright by quoting a green fictional character)
Like you say, get the steam up (with dilute vinegar) and let it go a while, then start condensing. Any blue vinegar collected makes a great dunny cleaner.
Lots to be said for automation, leave that to the commercial guys.
Lots to be said for being able to run a pot still with continuous results.
I reckon you could delete the cross tubes and angle the leibig to above horozontal for a short distance to achieve the same effect with a more consistent quality output, IMO.
And whats wrong with farting in church?
"Better out than in, I always say"- Shrek (I may have infringed a disney copyright by quoting a green fictional character)
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