I stumbled across a local bulk food store selling high-quality organic grains that are ground and sold in 3, 5, and 10 lb bags for VERY reasonable prices. I purchased some 5# bags of Rye that is finely ground and some baby flake rolled oats and coarse corn meal. They also sell cake yeast and un-sulfered molasses, of which several went home with me... It's a cool place called Sharp-Shopper and, from what I hear, they are present all over the eastern seaboard (US).
I'm considering trying to duplicate a sweet-feed style whisky with these ingredients. I want to bias more heavily toward the rye in the blend to produce a smoother whisky. I'm also trying to steer away from the Feed-store sweetfeed because of the added minerals and supplements contained in them.
Any opinions in the room? Help is appreciated.
Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
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Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
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My goal is to produce a pure, old-time whisky that's made with the purest ingredients and very clean water. Free of outside influences like preservatives and artificials.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Are you going to try to mash the grains? Or are you doing a sugarhead wash?
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
I'm undecided to this point. I was considering a mash using these grains and white sugar and mollasses to impart flavor and increase yield.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
I have a winemaker's / brewers yeast in hand as well.
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Well let us know how it turns out.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Mod Edit: I have cleaned up this topic, removing ironheads posts as well as my own as they were drifting off topic and not contributing to the intentions of the OP...
Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Being your new at it Id get some malt or use en zines being the rye is ground fine. and try each grain separate with sugar for little volume.That way you'll have a idea of flavor profile of each grain. You will have more of an idea on what ya want to try blended.
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i would try just what your saying. I was extremely dissapointed in my first AG compared to a Ujssm or sweetfeed, with regards to yield and flavor. Next time i will do an AG mash, then bring yield up with sugar. Best of both worlds maybe?fast507 wrote:I'm undecided to this point. I was considering a mash using these grains and white sugar and mollasses to impart flavor and increase yield.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Do you prefer malt extracts, say like a brewing supply product or do you use a ground, malted grain in Your mash? I looked on the forum for a while, but everything I found on sweetfeed brew was concerning definition of sweet feeds and where to find them. The info to fine tune this into a more "pure" all grain mash using purified water, organic grains and un-preserved molasses and sugars just didn't seem to be there. You guys are helping a lot.
I think I'm gonna cut down one of these stills to make a 5 gallon stove/grill top unit to try a small run and go from there.
I think I'm gonna cut down one of these stills to make a 5 gallon stove/grill top unit to try a small run and go from there.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Ok... 4-1/2 days in and here's what I've got. I put together my grain meal, molasses, and white sugar in a steeped mash and started it with Lalvin Bourgovins yeast on the 13th. It started bubbling away about 12-14 hours later, and showed a thick head of mash floating on the top with a very sweet taste. Now three days later, I have a clearing liquid, about the appearance of a cloudy Tea, noticeably less sweet, with a delightful cheesy, yeasty, sourdough smell which bubbles thru my downstairs bathroom. ( which hovers at a nearly perfect 68 degrees around the clock.)
I'm thinking of straining and stilling this brew in another 48-72 hours. I tend to go by the taste method and I think (?) that should be enough time to get the sweetness out of the mash indicating the yeast have finished working their magic...
Opinions, advice?
About how much yeild should I expect on a stripping run of approx. 6 gal US?
I'm thinking of straining and stilling this brew in another 48-72 hours. I tend to go by the taste method and I think (?) that should be enough time to get the sweetness out of the mash indicating the yeast have finished working their magic...
Opinions, advice?
About how much yeild should I expect on a stripping run of approx. 6 gal US?
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2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
dont know ,as dont know what, how much or the process you used.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
I'm not so much looking for an ABV but more of a volume. 6 gallons of wash I'd assume would yeild about 25-33% of initial volume in low wines? Basically I'm trying to size my container for the stripping run.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
the more alcohol the more product you have if its low wines or finished product.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Thanks, I understand what you mean there. I'm just looking to find out how much total liquid should I expect from a 6 US Gal stripping run. A ball park figure. I'm gonna try to find appropriately sized glass containers to collect the low wines.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
stripping you usually collect some where around 30%.
so if wash is....
5% then you will have 3 l (of 30%
8%------------------------4.75l
10%----------------------6l
14%----------------------9l
then if you collect at higher abv you will have less.
5% wash-- taken off at 40%-2.25l
8%-----------------------------3.5l
10%-------------------------4.5l
so if wash is....
5% then you will have 3 l (of 30%
8%------------------------4.75l
10%----------------------6l
14%----------------------9l
then if you collect at higher abv you will have less.
5% wash-- taken off at 40%-2.25l
8%-----------------------------3.5l
10%-------------------------4.5l
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Things are still bubbling along nicely as of this morning. The wash is gettin' more of a "beer" smell, indicating to me the ETOH content is coming up. Fermentation is still visibly, at least, very active, with as much bubbling action as a freshly poured beer. I moved the fermenter close by a heat register to speed the process along. I'm hoping the addition of Vintner's yeast in the beginning will lengthen the ferment time and yield a higher ABV mash then Baker's yeast. It's still the color of a cloudy tea with a slight foam on top. Taste is still sweet, but noticeably less so. Solids are markedly diminished.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Big spike today in the amount of alc. smell and the wash has cleared noticeably. Bubbling has slowed somewhat but still active.
I'm thinking of doing a stripping run in the next 48 hours. Hoping for good things.
I'm thinking of doing a stripping run in the next 48 hours. Hoping for good things.
1."I drink enough whisky to float a battleship around..."
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
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2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
I made some rye sour mash that used rye flour. 6-7 lbs rye flour and 2-3 lbs cracked corn , for 7 gal of mash. I think I used about 7 lbs of sugar and EC-1118 yeast. I was looking for a old time rye whiskey. One thing is that the yeast sent the rye over a 16 gal fermenter as it really foamed up overnight. I ran it 2 times with backset, and it really made a smooth whiskey with a definite rye taste. Very smooth from the still and just getting better under white oak strips. I only make simple recipe whiskey because I don't want additives and chemicals in my product. I can't believe what some put in their mash, vitamins, tomato paste, etc. Then they worry it may touch a plastic part.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
OZARK BILL: That's nearly the same recipe i used, I used about 2C of Unsulfered molasses and about 4# of white granulated sugar. I probably should have added more yeast in the beginning to speed it up, but it is putting a bit more alcohol
smell off today and still bubbling away, but more and more slowly... This is gonna be a strong wash when it comes time to cook. I'm hoping the winemakers yeast drives up the mash ABV more than what a bakers yeast could do. Hopefully, I can make something drinkable out of it.
smell off today and still bubbling away, but more and more slowly... This is gonna be a strong wash when it comes time to cook. I'm hoping the winemakers yeast drives up the mash ABV more than what a bakers yeast could do. Hopefully, I can make something drinkable out of it.
1."I drink enough whisky to float a battleship around..."
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"
Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Just bottled this in pints for x-mas presents and after 2 months on charred oak it it real good, with a good tasting rye taste. Will keep some on oak for Spring Solstice party.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
I incorporated a handfull of coarse toasted corn meal for body and baby flake rolled oats for volume. I basically took everything in a Sweet Feed, Found it's food grade counterpart and made a mash with it. Hopefully my results are as good as yours.
I've retained a yeast starter from this initial run, so if it comes off nice I'll try to duplicate it in my 15 gal.
I've retained a yeast starter from this initial run, so if it comes off nice I'll try to duplicate it in my 15 gal.
1."I drink enough whisky to float a battleship around..."
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"
Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Damn, a yeast starter is a great idea from this and corn sour mash also. Why didnt I think of that.
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
My yeast starter is about 1/2 USG of boiled water, cooled to 140 deg F., 1 Cup of plain white sugar and about 5 healthy Tablespoons of strained liquid taken from the mash. Left to set overnight in a container until a bit of pressure has built under the cap, and placed in the fridge for use later.
1."I drink enough whisky to float a battleship around..."
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"
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Re: Rye meal (et al) for mashing?
Day 10. All hints of sweetness are gone. Bubbling has slowed to a crawl. ETOH smell is strong. I think it's ready to strip.
1."I drink enough whisky to float a battleship around..."
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"
2."If you can't build it with your own hands, You don't f*ckin' need it." -Jesse James, West Coast Choppers
3."It's a maple syrup boiler. WTF's it look like?"