Maxing out the yeast

[TDS]

Have you guys heard this thing about maxing out your yeast being bad? I do it all the time. The wash has to sit for 3-6 days while they finish killing themselves off, but I find they really do reabsorb all that nasty stuff... like, if I run it as soon as the airlock stops bubbling, it's bad news, but if I wait another week, I get max abv and no bad tastes. My theory is that they are glorious even in death, and still doing the work... I've read a lot of stuff that supports this, but I see everyone here just accepting as common knowledge that maxing the yeast is bad. I've done runs where I didn't, but I get a lot of unfermented sugars, and they can scorch, or taste good after the run but age to bad flavors in a few days. I've only been doing this for about a year, but all of my personal experiences give me better results when I max the yeast and let them sit a week or so afterwards before I run it.
Curious what you guys think, and why everybody seems to accept as common knowledge that maxing the yeast is bad?

[LWTCS]

Never heard that term used like that.

With no issues,,, it is done when it finishes. And most around here like for their beer to work off till it is dry.

Waiting for a spell allows for off gasing. The release of co2 can keep solids in suspension and that will affect the profile of the finish product. But some do like that I hear.
A good stir will help the co2 escape and shortly there after nearly all of the solids will drop. Most around here rack one or two times and others go straight to the boiler.

I have read that leaving your beer on the yeast bed for too long can be a bad thing if the yeast hulls rupture. I have never experienced that however. Not sure how long is too long to sit on the trub?

I would think that most here would envision "maxing out your yeast" as simply pushing one's SG beyond 12% or so?

and why everybody seems to accept as common knowledge that maxing the yeast is bad?

I never heard it quite like that within the contexted that you are using. Any examples?

[TDS]

I'm running most of my washes at about 12-14%, and I just ran some with DADT AT 22%... I hear not to get greedy, but it came out good. When I was reading up on DADT I saw a lot of comments about stressing the yeast, pushing it too far and getting off flavors, stuff like that. Maybe I'm not saying it well, but a lot of people seem to think that it's best to go with a lower abv, regardless of what the yeast are capable of. I on the other hand, seem to have much better taste if they poison themselves with ethanol, rather than starving out when the sugars gone. I'm doing sugar washes, modified Gerber, so that's what I'm referring to. This thread it gets mentioned, but I've seen similiar statements all over the board.
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 5&start=12
Edit - maybe it's the greed thing. I'm greedy, but it still comes out really good.

[TDS]

After further comparisons, I have found that the maxed out 22% DADT product isn't as good as my Hogdsons Mills stuff. It's not bad, it's just not stacking up as high. When I first tried it, I had just drank some corn whiskey I aged with a whole vanilla bean and some oak. The vanilla had coated my mouth and I was glad to clean it up with a "vodka" tonic. After drinking it first, I realize it's just a bit below my usual.

[MitchyBourbon]

TDS,

Checkout my reply to you in the welcome thread where you originally posted this question.

[TDS]

TDS,

Checkout my reply to you in the welcome thread where you originally posted this question.

I know Mitchy, but I felt compelled to also state clearly on this thread...
That perhaps I was mistaken. I jumped the gun.
There is a price for greed.
I admit it.

[moparcowboy67]

I just want to know how to take a packet of turbo yeast for 5 gal wash and and multiply it to do a 25 gal wash. EFFECTIVELY !

[Bushman]

I just want to know how to take a packet of turbo yeast for 5 gal wash and and multiply it to do a 25 gal wash. EFFECTIVELY !

Please do a little research! If your making fuel that probably is not a bad question but Turbo Yeast really pushes the limits and for an alcoholic drink it will leave you with off tastes.

[heartcut]

If you leave the ferment for a week or so @ 75-80degF after it stops bubbling, the yeast will eat the diacetyl it produced, eliminating some off-tastes. What's an off taste to one can be delicious to another- some diacetyl can add complexity to Rums and Scotches.

[DAD300]

My SOP is like LWTCS said.

Although I see people writing in about old stored washes and asking if they go bad. I've never had a stored wash "go bad." In fact if racked of the sentiment, I think they get better. So much so, that given the opportunity, I would ferment in the summer and store until running that fall/winter. But, my timing hasn't gotten that good...yet.

[drinkingdog]

I just want to know how to take a packet of turbo yeast for 5 gal wash and and multiply it to do a 25 gal wash. EFFECTIVELY !

You probably should ask the idiots that are selling it as well as all the other crap they want to sell you to make it barely drinkable. Like Bushman said unless you are making fuel you need to go a different route

[moparcowboy67]

I just want to know how to take a packet of turbo yeast for 5 gal wash and and multiply it to do a 25 gal wash. EFFECTIVELY !

not looking for taste trying for 94-97% alcohol

[drinkingdog]

not looking for taste trying for 94-97% alcohol

First of why? Second it's not what you ferment that will get that % of alcohol. It's what kind of still you are distilling with. You have along way to go before you begin. Better slow down and do some research

[Prairiepiss]

The kind of still you have will determined the % out. Not the % in.

Not looking for taste? Are you making fuel? Or under the assumption that 95% doesn't have any taste? If you are under that assumption. You are wrong. I can make 95% all day long that tastes like crap. Everclear does a great job of it to.

[moparcowboy67]

IDK if the yeast grows it should just take longer right? As long as the nutrients are there, Or does it have to grow at a certain rate so the conditions of the mash doesn't change and starve them out

[moparcowboy67]

reflux still, making simple sugar shine, reflux still limits poss. of alot of flavor getting through

[drinkingdog]

That's why turbo should be avoided. The more bad flavors going into the still the harder it is for the still have to remove them. That's why a lot of times when you buy turbo they have you buy charcoal to filter it through to help remove the other nasties. If you're not getting the % you want it is either your stills issue, packing issue, or the way you are running it issues.

[Prairiepiss]

Check out the if you have to use turbo yeast thread.

The problem with turbo is it has to much nutrients for the size ferment suggested. And allows for a higher ABV. But really just gives you crap. If you increase the size of the ferment but cut back the amount of sugar used. You mite get a better product. But there are better recipes for that.

But it would be helpful if you just told us what the heck you were trying to make with it?

You are under a lot of assumptions. Or have been misinformed about a lot of things.

While a reflux still will cut back on some of the flavors. That doesn't mean they will all be removed. Depending on what kind of reflux still you have? Some do a better job then others. But it still comes down to shit in shit out. Or a lot of extra work to polish that shit into something less shity.

[moparcowboy67]

I'm fine with the product being like everclear, rather than talk down to someone why not just not comment at all, If you don't use the product then you really don't know what you are talking about and your post is really useless to me, not trying to be a master distiller of fine drinking spirits. I'm trying to cut cost of these yeast products, and make a harsh sugar shine that takes ur breath away, as close to 100% alcohol as I can get. Can Anyone tell me the cheapest way to make a high yield 20-25% alc. by volume, 25 gal. batch of mash???? OR No?

[moparcowboy67]

ok prariepiss thanks for the explanation, we are connecting a bit now what would you suggest for a basically straight 95-97% non bad tasting sugar shine recipe? milehigh 13gal reflux still, want to make a 25 gal. wash then run two batches. I would like not having to run it through charcoal out of necessity.

[Prairiepiss]

Se now that still will be one of the ones most effected by the shit in shit out. And you may want to look at the cm mod link in my signature. It will help you make the best you can with that still.

If you haven't noticed. Most of us around here aren't after a cheap crap alcohol. We like quality over quantity. I personaly can by alcohol a lot cheaper then I can make it.

Anyway the tried and true recipe section is full of good recipes. For what you are talking about making. A neutral/vodka. I would suggest Birdwatchers, or winos. If you ate wanting a neutral. If you are wanting a good vodka very close to a neutral. Just a little hint of grain flavor and mouthfeel. Then Rad's all bran, or the wheatgerm. I would stay around 12% ABV on the ferment. Do two stripping runs. Making foreshots cuts. Combining the rest of the stripping run diluting to 40% or lower. And doing a spirit run. With high reflux. I would also cut your ferment back to 22 gal. That would give you approx two runs around 11 gal each. You don't want to out more then that in that 13 gal boiler. You need the headroom. So 22 gal at 12% would get you around 2.6 ish gal of 95% before cuts. And approx 2.6 gal of good diluted to 40% or 50% drink. After cuts.

95% alcohol is not good for drinking. And I hope you don't plan to drink it that high. It's good for mixing or maceration. Where you dilute the final product down to a reasonable drinking ABV. 95% is very dangerous stuff. And should be treated as such. And this forum is all about safety.

Now I see you haven't made it over to the welcome center to give us a proper intro. You mite do that.

And for someone that has obviously not researched what this forum is about. You mite want to tone your attitude down a bit too. There are a lot of people here that are willing to help those that try to help themselves and deserve to be helped. So far your not making a good impression. Just my two nickles.

[moparcowboy67]

2 nickels taken, Thanks, Exactly using to dilute was the plan, want high proof to start, totally understand ur meaning, neutral that was the word to describe what I'm looking for. I've been around the fence and come across alot of arrogant know-it-alls and as you can see if someone starts to come across as one I react, Maybe a little prematurely sometimes. I'm sorry and didn't mean to offend. You Obviously are not one of those types. Would love to exchange emails some time if you are interested. Thanks Again....T.

[TDS]

Hello, Old Thread.

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[rad14701]

2 nickels taken, Thanks, Exactly using to dilute was the plan, want high proof to start, totally understand ur meaning, neutral that was the word to describe what I'm looking for. I've been around the fence and come across alot of arrogant know-it-alls and as you can see if someone starts to come across as one I react, Maybe a little prematurely sometimes. I'm sorry and didn't mean to offend. You Obviously are not one of those types. Would love to exchange emails some time if you are interested. Thanks Again....T.

Perhaps that's your perspective, but not necessarily the correct one... Imagine how tired we get of repeatedly having novices come here trying to buck the system rather than realizing that we know what we're talking about and taking some time to do enough research to discover that we do... It's a daily ritual here yet far too many new members come here jaw flapping like they know what they're doing when they're virtually clueless... Take it personal or don't... It's not intended to be but if the shoe fits, wear it... Now, you throttle back your attitude and start doing some research... The theories and fundamentals will help you understand the why's, which are every bit as important as the how's... Nobody got to be a know-it-all by not listening or doing mandatory research...

[moparcowboy67]

IDK. Man Any other rocket scientists want to comment about needing years of experience, Tons of Knowledge, A chemists degree, And The necessity of kissing someones ass to learn a little bit of information. Back in the day I guess you had to start with a college degree to brew moonshine. I guess Einstein is the father and all this....And the information has been meticulously passed down through the ages. Give me a freakin break dude. Back woods none educated people did just fine and most what you know came from them. Anyone labeling themselves with Master Brewer without owning a real distillery is just trying to brag on himself. Maybe ur opinion isn't welcome, Or if you think I'm going to cower in you presence ur dead wrong. this is just a hobby to me and that's all it's going to be, so if you can't comment without saying something demeaning, Don't post anything on my thread. The Ole saying applies here....Opinions are Like Assholes, Everybody has one, and most of them stink !!!

P.S N.Y USA.....Ur Prob. One of those NYC assholes HUH?

[Prairiepiss]

It's not your thread? It was tds's thread.

[moparcowboy67]

I'm Sorry Master Distiller not Master Brewer...Anyway so what kind of qualifications do you have to meet to put that on ur profile other than clicking a button. LOL

Yeah N.Y. USA..That's you RAD Freedom of expression but what a ridiculous profile pic. ( Just Being Honest) that's prob all ur really good at or maybe your product does just that for you.

[Prairiepiss]

Wow. Nothing like hammering the shit out of a moderator. When your new to a forum. You will fit in perfect around here.

He's doing his job. And your the one being a jerk about it.

Yep fit in nicely.

[moparcowboy67]

Oh Ok That's his job? Where's the link to that job description? where can I Look this up?

[Tater]

I'm Sorry Master Distiller not Master Brewer...Anyway so what kind of qualifications do you have to meet to put that on ur profile other than clicking a button. LOL

Yeah N.Y. USA..That's you RAD Freedom of expression but what a ridiculous profile pic. ( Just Being Honest) that's prob all ur really good at or maybe your product does just that for you.

Looks like a stay in read only is where your heading . Now back on topic please