Using a Wine filter for wash??

[Fergnoeloneill]

Hi I was in the brew shop I was looking at a vinbrite wine filter. It said it can improve the quality if spirit runs by filtering the yeast cells out of the finished wash.

I already clear my sugar vodka wash and syphon off. I was wondering does anyone use one and does it make much difference.??

[T-Pee]

The distillation process filters out the yeast...and most everything else. Shouldn't be an issue if the wash is properly settled and rcked.

tp

[steelmb]

I filter right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

:Edit: I distill right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

[T-Pee]

I filter right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

So you make relative crap, huh? Your "product" would taste a helluva lot better if you stop all the shortcuts. Might as well drink storebought shit otherwise.
Do you think we make cuts just to be anal??

tp

[GrassHopper]

I filter right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

So you make relative crap, huh? Your "product" would taste a helluva lot better if you stop all the shortcuts. Might as well drink storebought shit otherwise.
Do you think we make cuts just to be anal??

tp

+3 T-Pee

You couldn't pay me to drink my heads. I sure wouldn't give them to anyone either. The only way to discern crap from mud is to smell it. Or I guess some are dumb enough to eat it.

[pfshine]

Don't feed the troll

[WIski]

Dude must be a lazy Troll. Been here since 2013. Hasn't got booted yet.

[pfshine]

Sleeper troll. Made a bunch of handles and waits to troll.

[steelmb]

Sleeper troll. Made a bunch of handles and waits to troll.

Would like to know what other handles I am supposed to have?

I filter right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

So you make relative crap, huh? Your "product" would taste a helluva lot better if you stop all the shortcuts. Might as well drink storebought shit otherwise.
Do you think we make cuts just to be anal??

tp

+3 T-Pee

You couldn't pay me to drink my heads. I sure wouldn't give them to anyone either. The only way to discern crap from mud is to smell it. Or I guess some are dumb enough to eat it.

I have tried saving small jars of what should be heads hearts and tails. I've let them air out and tasted them. They taste the same to me other than the heads taste hotter than the hearts due to higher alcohol content and the same with the hearts compared to tails or heads compared to tails. Once they are all diluted down to the same strength they are virtually identical and I am not sure I could tell the difference.
No I don't think you make cuts to be anal. I think you make relative crap and have to rack your wash, make cuts and do whatever other steps necessary to make it drinkable.
As far as being lazy, you bet I am. If I can come up with the same result with less work I will do it every time. I've worked extremely hard all my life and then came the heart attack and cancer. I hardly have the energy to to keep the house and yard kept up, so if I can come up with ways to lessen the work load I will do it. I use good ingredients, and a good process which in turn provides a good product. My process is different than yours, not necessarily producing a better or worse product, just a different process to achieve a similar acceptable end result. I like my process better because there is less work, fuss and mess. I like my results. I would be glad to compare product with anyone on here who happens to be close by. I doubt that anyone is nearby however as I am in the sticks.
In my original post on this thread I was simply stating that I didn't believe any filtering was required.
I have seen others on the forum state that they only distill once and achieve the taste they like and nobody has jumped down their throat. If someone wants to drink heads or tails and likes it, what skin is it off your rear end? I have gotten tight many times on it, and have never had a hangover from it and I like the taste so why should I care what you "whiskey snobs" think?

[still_stirrin]

I have tried saving small jars of what should be heads hearts and tails. I've let them air out and tasted them. They taste the same to me other than the heads taste hotter than the hearts due to higher alcohol content and the same with the hearts compared to tails or heads compared to tails. Once they are all diluted down to the same strength they are virtually identical and I am not sure I could tell the difference.
No I don't think you make cuts to be anal. I think you make relative crap and have to rack your wash, make cuts and do whatever other steps necessary to make it drinkable.
As far as being lazy, you bet I am. If I can come up with the same result with less work I will do it every time. I've worked extremely hard all my life and then came the heart attack and cancer. I hardly have the energy to to keep the house and yard kept up, so if I can come up with ways to lessen the work load I will do it. I use good ingredients, and a good process which in turn provides a good product. My process is different than yours, not necessarily producing a better or worse product, just a different process to achieve a similar acceptable end result. I like my process better because there is less work, fuss and mess. I like my results. I would be glad to compare product with anyone on here who happens to be close by. I doubt that anyone is nearby however as I am in the sticks.
In my original post on this thread I was simply stating that I didn't believe any filtering was required.
I have seen others on the forum state that they only distill once and achieve the taste they like and nobody has jumped down their throat. If someone wants to drink heads or tails and likes it, what skin is it off your rear end? I have gotten tight many times on it, and have never had a hangover from it and I like the taste so why should I care what you "whiskey snobs" think?

Rant over....case closed.

Apologies to the OP for the derailment.
ss

[Greenthorn]

Hi I was in the brew shop I was looking at a vinbrite wine filter. It said it can improve the quality if spirit runs by filtering the yeast cells out of the finished wash.

I already clear my sugar vodka wash and syphon off. I was wondering does anyone use one and does it make much difference.??

Don't know if you've seen these or not, but I use a 600u and a 200u for my sugar washes (all bran and corn flakes) I really like them.
They don't get the yeast, but I rack anywhere from 2 to 5 days after, then siphon off.

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[steelmb]

Sleeper troll. Made a bunch of handles and waits to troll.

You know I have thought about this comment/accusation that you have made in an open forum for a day or so. I would like to see some proof of this accusation or have you do the honorable thing and apologize here in the same open forum where you made the accusation.

Man up and do one or the other!

If you can prove that I have multiple accounts or handles here on the forum I will go away and not come into this forum ever again.

[rad14701]

Sleeper troll. Made a bunch of handles and waits to troll.

You know I have thought about this comment/accusation that you have made in an open forum for a day or so. I would like to see some proof of this accusation or have you do the honorable thing and apologize here in the same open forum where you made the accusation.

Man up and do one or the other!

If you can prove that I have multiple accounts or handles here on the forum I will go away and not come into this forum ever again.

Don't hold your breath on apologies... Your comments about slather-assed practices are what brought on the wrath... With such a large community using due diligence to improve their protocols it's no wonder folks might consider you to be a troll... You aren't as skilled as you have yourself and your cronies thinking you are... Don't brag about drinking swill...

I distill right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

Learn from this, lick your wounds, and move on without making the same mistake(s)...!!!

[steelmb]

Sleeper troll. Made a bunch of handles and waits to troll.

You know I have thought about this comment/accusation that you have made in an open forum for a day or so. I would like to see some proof of this accusation or have you do the honorable thing and apologize here in the same open forum where you made the accusation.

Man up and do one or the other!

If you can prove that I have multiple accounts or handles here on the forum I will go away and not come into this forum ever again.

Don't hold your breath on apologies... Your comments about slather-assed practices are what brought on the wrath... With such a large community using due diligence to improve their protocols it's no wonder folks might consider you to be a troll... You aren't as skilled as you have yourself and your cronies thinking you are... Don't brag about drinking swill...

I distill right out of the fermentor. No racking. No filtering. But then again I don't do any cuts either unlike most others here. It tastes good to my friends and myself so that is all that matters in my opinion.

Learn from this, lick your wounds, and move on without making the same mistake(s)...!!!

Not everyone has the same taste and likes the same thing, everyone here needs to understand that. You think my methods are "slather-assed" and I believe yours are anal and wasteful both in terms of material and time/work. How can you say my product is substandard or swill when you have never tasted it? There are others here that do single distillation and others have said it is top self stuff. Nobody seems to jump on them. The OP asked about filtering wash. I expressed an opinion that I didn't think it wasn't required and that I didn't do it. If people want to have a respectful debate, then fine, but to start name calling and accusing me of all sorts is BS and they will likely find that I do not turn tail and run that easy just because they don't like my methods. It wouldn't surprise me that I don't get an apology as lots of people like to hide behind a computer and say all sorts that they wouldn't say to a person's face. Makes them feel big and important I suppose. Personaly, I believe it to be more of a small winky syndrome. My product is fine for my purposes and I don't feel the way I am doing it is a mistake.

If there is anyone from Manitoba on here that would like to meet up so we can try each others' stuff, I would be happy to do so. I really enjoy what I make and would like to see if other people on here are making anything that much better than myself.

[Bushman]

There are others here that do single distillation and others have said it is top self stuff.

If you like what you make then drink it but know that single distillation and cuts are two different things.

[T-Pee]

There are others here that do single distillation and others have said it is top self stuff.

If you like what you make then drink it but know that single distillation and cuts are two different things.

Very. Two completely different processes.

tp

[WIski]

Even with single distillation there are cuts being made. There might not be any small jars involved but if you chuck some fores or snuff the wick before the boiler is empty you have made a cut.

[MichiganCornhusker]

Well, I'll say this about that.

I just finished up a stripping run with a corn malt whiskey, ran it down to essentially water, getting an average abv for the entire run of 45%. Nothing but a tiny fores cut. No airing out.
I poured myself a full ounce of this to put all this bickering to the test.
I could bottle this and drink it just fine.

If I search for it, I can get a whiff of heads, but nowhere near as much as most commercial, and not unpleasant.
It's smooth, sweet, and full flavored, albeit a tad tiny cloudy from those delicious tails.
It's good. Actually, it's damn good. Neat.

I'll bring a sample to Butch's next weekend and anyone in attendance can put in their 2 cents.

I've had this same experience with my panela rum. The very first run I stripped I liked so much I did save it as-is, at 80p with nothing but a fores cut.

I'm not arguing for or against anything, just pointing out that a one-run no-cuts whiskey isn't necessarily retched muck, but can in fact be good right off the pipe.
I'm sure the heck not gonna pour this glass out.

In fact, I'm gonna just filter out the fruit flies and bottle half this stripping run right now for my ownself, white.
The rest I'm gonna pour into the planned spirit run to get it up to cask proof and put it on oak.

Maybe it's because this whiskey was produced from beautiful blue corn malt, maybe I'm just in the mood to be contrary, maybe it's all these heads and tails talking, but I'm happy I've made this little discovery.

You might think I'm bullshitting, but this ain't the liar's bench, and there's not sarcasm emoji.
Hand on heart, this is my report.

Edit: I just poured myself a second glass right out the carboy. If I wake up with a throbbing headache, I will surely keep you posted.

[steelmb]

Even with single distillation there are cuts being made. There might not be any small jars involved but if you chuck some fores or snuff the wick before the boiler is empty you have made a cut.

Ok I confess. I take the foreshots and put them in the windshield washer of my car. Waste not, want not. I then collect down to about 15% ABV (by then the day has been long enough) and mix it all together and come up with 50% ABV or slightly under and that's it. It gets one pass through the wine aerator as I bottle it and am good to go.

Thanks for sharing your experience MCH. I haven't had a headache from my stuff yet. A couple mornings I have been a little thirsty but never a headache.

[Maritimer]

And Wrong-Again-rad rides off into the sunset on his slather-assed pony, licking his wounds. Suck it up, buttercup!

[rad14701]

And Wrong-Again-rad rides off into the sunset on his slather-assed pony, licking his wounds. Suck it up, buttercup!

Absolutely not...!!! Had steelmb included ALL of the details then his earlier post wouldn't have sounded like he was throwing caution to the wind, thinking he was making stellar spirits without cuts... The devil is in the details, or lack thereof... And to come into a topic and merely state to someone who is asking a question about filtering that they just collect everything flies in the face of what we strive to do here and doesn't come close to addressing the concerns of the OP...

Move on, Maritimer...!!!

[Maritimer]

rad,

Yeah, you're right. I just wanted to try out your words to see how they felt.

M

[T-Pee]

Did you get a tingle down your leg?

tp

[thecroweater]

rad,

Yeah, you're right. I just wanted to try out your words to see how they felt.

M

Well champ thanks for your honestly, it saves on using the broken language of the politically correct. Now having fessed up to outright trolling the board requires you desist now as it will not be long tolerated

[Mudturtle]

I use the vinbrite for my wines, it dies a good job if you rack the wash a time or two. But in all honesty it would be a waste to use on a distilling beer IMO. I can get around 5 or 6 gallons thru a crystalbrite filter (after a clearing agent, coarser pads etc) but I usually change it cause it's pretty much done for. And at around 13 to 15 bucks for a pack of 5 pads.....

[Hound Dog]

For my washes I use the ez strainer like the one from dudadiesle posted above. I just use it to filter out stray grains or cereal when racking. For filtering my spirits of charred oak crap after aging I use milk filters. They are fine enough and flow much better than a coffee filter.

[papapro]

I do not want to defend one side or the other I just wanted to mention that some time ago
I read somewhere either in the books or here on this site that recommendation was to destill when hydrometer reaches just 1010 or 1000, leaving for longer racking reaction in the wash creates a lot of Ethyl acetate longer the more of this stuff.

Maybe that is why he does not filter or rack and distills imedietely and he gets less
smell.
Reading this comes back in memory that some time ago I left the wash for longer time
I started to get some more smell of Ethyl acetate.

Just a thought

Regards papapro

[Saltbush Bill]

I have tried saving small jars of what should be heads hearts and tails. I've let them air out and tasted them. They taste the same to me other than the heads taste hotter than the hearts due to higher alcohol content and the same with the hearts compared to tails or heads compared to tails. Once they are all diluted down to the same strength they are virtually identical and I am not sure I could tell the difference.

You and your friends taste buds are obviously completely burnt out from drinking to much heads and tails.

[WIski]

Saltbush, your quote was actually a steelmb statement, NOT SS.

[papapro]

just found out: on page 73

by Ian Smiley A Professional Guide for
Amateur- and Micro-Distillers reads

"A mash intended for distillation only undergoes a primary fermentation. Grain mash
fermentations are typically 72-80 hours long, and then they are distilled. In fact, a secondary
fermentation would be very deleterious to the ester profile of the mash and would ruin the
finished whiskey.
During the primary fermentation the yeast is consuming readily available fermentable sugars.
When the fermentable sugars have been exhausted, the yeast metabolism changes and begins
breaking down unfermentable sugars and other organic compounds and consumes them.
This involves the secretion of very different enzymes such as permease that enable the
consumption of unfermentable sugars (dextrins and polysaccharides). This altered chemistry
results in the formation of a family of esters, which have come to be called the “dreaded
esters” by the author. The dreaded esters have very nearly the same boiling point as the
alcohol/water azeotrope (i.e. 78.15oC (172.67oF)), and are almost impossible to separate out
by distillation. Therefore, they pervade into the finished whiskey and ruin its flavour.
The only use for whiskey laced with the dreaded esters, is to rectify it to 95% alcohol by
redistillation in a high-separation still, and treat it with activated carbon to render pure
alcohol to be used for making vodka, gin, or liqueurs.
In order to be sure to avoid the dreaded esters, a mash fermentation should be distilled as
soon as the vigorous primary fermentation slows down to a slow spurious bubbling,
regardless of how complete the fermentation was, generally no more than 96 hours after
adding the yeast."