irc chat for home distiller

[sudsy]

i was wondering if their was an irc chat available for us, but their isn't , so i thought i could bring the regulars together in a chat room where newbie questions can be answered and the regulars can have an opportunity to converse, i have created the irc chat server on an Australian server that is accessible to everybody, admins from the forum are encouraged to create an account and join, and will be made ops of the channel, i will demote myself once their are at least one administrator from home distiller to have joined, i figure this can be a great step forward in our en devour to provide help and advancement of the distilling forum we have grow to know and love, my thanks to everybody and i hope to speak with you all soon.

Server:irc.austnet.org:6667 #home_brew

people whom wish not to download a client can use http://www.mibbit.com a safe and easy way to join

ps, this isn't a way to diverse from the forum we know and love, but a way for the regulars to converse in a timely manner, hope to see you thier...

[Caprimulgus]

I checked it out and will be back there in the future. People have forgotten how usefull IRC is.

[rad14701]

Never found IRC to be of much use way back at its inception, or since... Always seemed to have someone trying to stir up trouble... But, to each his own...

[Samohon]

Never found IRC to be of much use way back at its inception, or since... Always seemed to have someone trying to stir up trouble... But, to each his own...

+++1 Rad; I was ignored a few months back on a plastics/silicon debate, that was enough for me. Like you said, I dont find it of much use either, really only a gloryfied chat room. But if thats what rocks your boat sudsy, go for it. Maybe you can create a channel that teaches the dangers of distilling a liquid with unproven materials. May even save some lives....

Just my 2c's worth....

[myerfire]

If anyone has questions or curosity about distilling, THIS is the place to go. There are more people here with more practical experience here than any other place that I am aware of. I don't know why anyone would want to go anywhere else.
myerfire

[MuleKicker]

I dont understand this deal? I think it would be cool to have a chat room for all of US to use. Isnt that the deal here? If this aint the deal. Could we make a legit chat room for HD members to talk live?

[LWTCS]

Thought we wuz chattin.

Wutz IRC?

[rednose]

HD is an ORGANIZED by categories and topics chat as the answer of any question or comment is mostly coming very quick.

I'll stay here, even if a little in the background ATM.

Joe

Thought we wuz chattin.

Wutz IRC?

[Caprimulgus]

It,s just easier to get a free conversation going when you can se what everyone is saying in real time without delays and clicking all the time. Files can be sent directly, insted of emailing or opening msn or Skype.

Scenario: a bunch of guys sitting in the same room. Everyone has to click a botton to see if anyone is talking. Some one has a cool design in his hand that some one ells would like to see. Insted of passing it over the table, talking about it with all the others, getting instant feedback.The guy with the plan puts a stamp on it and puts it in the mailbox. And, the other guy waits.......

In short, the communication is more direct on IRC. Forums are a great source of information, like libriaries where the visitors write all the books them selves. IRC can not compete with that. But when you get the hang of it, and see 30 participants comments and conversation flow across the screen it gets realy fun. It still is a great way to connect with people.

Sure, it rocks my boat. It has since the internet was born and the BBS's died. Please don't sink other peoples boats because you don't understand the waves that rock them.

[MuleKicker]

Im a little leary of this cause the guy proposing it is a complete newbie..... And I dont know what IRC is. But I like the idea of live chat, if it would work. That way I could give LW more shit.... (dont worry, Ill leave yer woman alone)

[Caprimulgus]

I see your point. But IP's are logged everywhere. Even here....

[kiwistiller]

My problem is this:
Person a: I have a problem, with (for example) cuts. help me!
Person b: [well thought out and carefully explained answer]

the next day
Person c: I have a problem, with cuts. help me!
Person b: [same answer, written a bit more tersely]

Repeat lots

much later:
Person d: Person a: I have a problem, with cuts. help me!
Person b: [nothing, they've gotten bored with repeating themselves and left]

The problem is that newbies will just ask for spoonfeeding constantly. It's a lot of information to absorb. That's why it is all recorded here. If person b answers the question once here, and it's a great answer, it gets stickied or whatever and then the work of experienced members in the future is reduced by having the reference material recorded. That doesn't happen in a chat room.

For what it's worth, there has been a chat function on another distilling forum for a long time now. It normally stands empty, and is never used for serious discussion - a BBS is simply better for that. On this forum you've normally got a pretty comprehensive answer to any question in 12 hours, often a lot less - how much faster do you need?

That being said I'm glad you've done something you like the idea of, and I'll probably stick my head in from time to time. Good on you - I'm just not going to discuss anything ontopic there, because the time I spend will only be useful for one person, not everyone who treads the path further down the line.
Cheers,
Kiwi

[MuleKicker]

good point kiwi. I was mainly thinking of the BS'ing part.

[rad14701]

This is why we have Mentors, a Mentor section, and the forums support Personal Messages... Beyond that, any two or more members can use whatever means of chat they desire, be it IRC, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, ICQ, or any of the myriad of internet communications... Or they can text each other... But not much communication outside the forums is going to take place until the participants are comfortable with and can trust each other...

[sudsy]

well thanks for your thoughts guys, i may be it a newby, but i have been around the scene for at least 10 years, as i stated i'm not interested in spoiling the fun for everybody by hauling posts from forum to chat, you all make a very clean point about having the info in one place for us all to ponder, i would also expect some of the older members wouldn't like irc being they probably have only just learnt how to use a forum lol, none the less, my intentions are sincere and i hope to get a community as i stated of the regulars so we can all chat together without having to wait for page refreshes and the likes, i only created it in the first place because by the time i had asked a question and got an answer my mash had finished, i cannot contribute to the forums in many ways because i am a NEWBIE, and the reason i invited some regulars was to hopefully make people feel better about visiting, kiwi i see your point, thus their is operators to take care of annoying people, in closing,

as i stated, i would be handing op status over to the forum administrators, as the way i see it, it is their forum, and would be in effect their chat room, i just wanted to help.

[MuleKicker]

dont take it hard man.

[Husker]

sudsy,

If you want to start an IRC channel, by all means go for it. I will not be there. For me, it ends up being way to addictive for a while, and then later ends up being a bunch of dead zombie owner bots sitting on the site, but infrequently chatting (at least that has been my experiences before).

But give it a shot. There may be a group that prefers IRC type meetings. I would rather have forums with threaded topics, that exist for more than a flash in the pan moment. But that is just me. Others may be more gregarious than I, and fall into a chit chat environment.

H.

[olddog]

I would rather have forums with threaded topics, that exist for more than a flash in the pan moment. But that is just me. Others may be more gregarious than I, and fall into a chit chat environment.

+1

OD

[rad14701]

In all honesty, the time for researching and asking questions is BEFORE you start your distillation run... This isn't a hobby where you should expect or rely on real-time advice... And while it does happen on rare occasion it isn't, nor should it become, common practice... Things can happen way too fast and the last distraction an inexperienced still operator needs is hoping to get the right answer on a timely basis...

Granted, this isn't the only reason you suggested the IRC idea, and I'm sure you aren't the first member to entertain the idea, but my point is entirely valid as a case in point...

[sudsy]

dont take it hard man.

i wasn't taking it hard at all, i'm just sick of stereotypical people, i thought i would get a warm welcome, but i guess not, this place is as cold as ice and i wanted to change that a little, i guess your content with this, good day everybody, and thankyou for the sugarwash recipe i'll learn to keep my thoughts to myself, i'm sorry for interfering

ps, i am now taking it hard!

[olddog]

I also belong to a home theatre projector forum which has a chat room, with 166,000 members and in excess of 100 members on line at anyone time, the chat room is rairly used, and even then gets no more than 2 people chatting. The need for critically accurate information is a must for this forum, but as most of these forums are international some of the people you want to contact are not available due to time zone constraints. This forum works fine, nothing in fermentation brewing and distillation is instant, time and patience are needed, if you have not got the time and patience, perhaps this hobby is not for you.


OD

[sudsy]

I also belong to a home theatre projector forum which has a chat room, with 166,000 members and in excess of 100 members on line at anyone time, the chat room is rairly used, and even then gets no more than 2 people chatting. The need for critically accurate information is a must for this forum, but as most of these forums are international some of the people you want to contact are not available due to time zone constraints. This forum works fine, nothing in fermentation brewing and distillation is instant, time and patience are needed, if you have not got the time and patience, perhaps this hobby is not for you.


OD

i fail to see how time and patience has anything to do with this conversation, or would you be referring to another of my threads, all in all i think many people who start out are keen to get their first couple of runs out, i really don't think labeling anybody impatient or greedy as rad o so kindly pointed out is warranted , not impressed at all, as this is supposed to be a hobby, i am not as interested as you all to get A perfect product with my shiny new copper still i just spent all of my spare time in, only to be an asshole on a forum online, as i said goodluck to you all, i was better off leeching the little info i found usefull

[kiwistiller]

No need to throw your toys sudsy - you put an idea out there and people who didn't like it spoke up, and gave you explict reasons why. No one is telling you not to do it. So do it. Maybe it will catch on. It doesn't have anything to do with being old or young - I'm very much part of the IM generation, but it just doesn't seem suitable for this purpose.

But if it's what you like, good on you! Great that you've set it up! If others like it I guess you'll see them there. Hope it takes off for you.

[LWTCS]

Hi suds,
Don't be too put off by Rad's use of the word "greedy" or "greed"

This word is used as a term used to describe One's desire to get the most amount of abv/likker out of a batch.

We are desensitized from the use of the word as this word is used frequently.

Although not a positive word it is not typically used for personal attack.

Please just settle in an let's talk about likker.

Cheers

[ScottishBoy]

Sudsy,
Sorry you feel the way you do about the group. I dont think anything was truly malicious. I do, however, think that you are taking this entirely too hard. One of the big reasons that this place is here is because its a reference and storehouse for a lot of different ideas and discussions which can be searched and researched. The idea is to get as many people together as possible and pool this knowledge. IRC chat isnt about that at all. Its (at best) a temporary center of a few thoughts. The problem is that they rarely get saved or written down and thus they are lost. I have been around IRC since the very start and I always see the same thing, a thriving community that eventually breaks down into small cliques that go their own seperate ways. Much like a trendy new bar.
I have no wish for that to happen with HD.

Yeah, you put forth an idea and it wasnt well received...Never fun, but dont let it ruin your fun and the chance of actually getting some tutelage. The reception you got was pretty typicial. Everyone will remain reserved until you show you are not clueless, willing to learn, and trustworthy.

Trust me, these guys are okay once you get to know them, but like any group, you have to take some time and get to know them.

Hope you stick around, but if you dont, then be safe.

SB

[sudsy]

well thanks for your replys everybody, and after having a few hours to cool off, i can see the point you all are trying to make and very much agree with 99% of it, like the good lord said, lets talk some likker i appreciate the feedback a great deal.

[MuleKicker]

dont take it hard man.

i wasn't taking it hard at all, i'm just sick of stereotypical people, i thought i would get a warm welcome, but i guess not, this place is as cold as ice and i wanted to change that a little, i guess your content with this, good day everybody, and thankyou for the sugarwash recipe i'll learn to keep my thoughts to myself, i'm sorry for interfering

ps, i am now taking it hard!

Lotsa folks here been around a while and are set in there ways. Deal with it. Dont come here expectin folks to follow yer lead, just cuz you think its the way to go. You are outing yerself from the group.

[ScottishBoy]

See? Once you get past the crusty exterior, these guys are all a bunch of softies...

[rad14701]

These past few posts are a very good example of why posting in these forums is better than live chat using IRC... At least here folks have something to refer back to, as in the comments about my use "greed" and "greedy"... When using IRC it is entirely conceivable that someone might not read the same inflection into the context of a conversation whereas here in the forums, if someone has done enough reading, they would be well aware of both the inflection and context of a specific statement... I used to do the BBS thing prior to the internet becoming popular and often visited chat rooms when it was still wet behind the ears and have witnessed this happen many many times...

We aren't simply a bunch of rank amateur hicks that you're trying to enlighten with your idea of IRC, sudsy... We have centuries, if not millenia, of collective experience here... To be honest, we don't need any new member coming in and attempting to show us the way...

Get over it and move on already... I'm about to start getting grumpy...

[ScottishBoy]

I'm about to start getting grumpy...

Doc and Dopey say "Hi"...