Quality, what is that!

[harley03]

Quality, what is that!

Quality is something that can be so different depending on who you're talking to ..

But one thing is for sure is a product totally unsuited for this purpose as it is made for, then it is low quality, or rather non-existent!
Pictures say more than a thousand words ....






Cheers

[pfshine]

Wow that is crap

[rad14701]

Had they taken as much attention to detail in manufacture as there was in etching they might have had a decent product... And folks wonder why we make comments about products from China and aren't always thrilled about the mention of certain vendors who market that countries products... There's more to life than getting rich quick - or trying to, at least...

[S-Cackalacky]

Am I missing something? Can't comment on the quality if I don't know what it is. Looks like a couple of cooking pots - one upside down on top of the other. The other looks like the inside of a cooking pot. So, what's the deal?

Just sayin',
S-C

[acfixer69]

Am I missing something? Can't comment on the quality if I don't know what it is. Looks like a couple of cooking pots - one upside down on top of the other. The other looks like the inside of a cooking pot. So, what's the deal?

Just sayin',
S-C

They are ferrules

[The KYChemist]

Those are actually a pair of tri-clamp ferrules. I reccomend ferrules from VNE. They are a little more pricey, but will be used in my next build, and quality is superb. Thankfully, I get employee discount. We don't supply anything from China, at my job. Has more to do with the MTR's, though.

[LWTCS]

I would return it for a full refund or replacement if I were you.

[DJFrestyla]

Kuality, Kwality

[bellybuster]

I have chinese ferrules and they are flat as flat. Too bad you ended up with duds but I'd bet they'll flatten no problem with the triclamp pressure.

[LWTCS]

I am 100% positive that had you made the vendor aware of this issue you would have had your parts replaced or refunded.

Certainly you should have notified your vendor. Please give the vendor an opportunity to resolve this issue.


Bellybuster said:
I have chinese ferrules and they are flat as flat. Too bad you ended up with duds but I'd bet they'll flatten no problem with the triclamp pressure.

They will flatten out just fine. Especially with an HP clamp. But that is not the issue. I am positive the vendor can resolve this.

[Tater]

Damn shame what some venders will sell just for the money.Sadly we have had some members go that route.What they cant seem to get is that their crap should have some quality control before it leaves the shop.If any member is having problems with any venders selling or trying to sell them anything under the table here let us know we will handle it.

[harley03]

The manufacturer of these ferrules have been given the chance many, many times to “do the right thing”, but one of the first thing he told me was that he "refuse to lose any money" on these 10pc long 8 "ferrules that a have pay for and he have send to me here in Sweden!

They look like a cross between a banana and an egg, nothing is right. the neck is so conical so one might think that they have used a funnel that tube when they have extended these short ferrules for long ferrules and heat once they've welded it together, this has resulted in that judgment is totally useless .. Pure crap .. and a have 10pc of them...

So if a want 10pc ferrules that a can use !!! and are made of 1pc ,( not short welded on ferrules like all his “long” ferules are) then a must pay 300dollar more to him, he say... and that a have done + a must also pay 100dollar to the Swedish toll/ state...
So it is very expensive to by from this company in the end a have pay 2 times for 10pc long ferrules....

He produces all his long ferrules by welding on short ferrules so they become long because this is much cheaper than producing long ferrules from one piece....



If you want ferrules made from 1pc, it costs them about 25% more than he sells all his long ferrules for ... this is his own words ... then you know what you will get if you order long ferrules from this company ...

I bought long 8 "ferules from other manufacturers i Kina ( for about 35dollar pc) before and they have always been made from 1pc and they've all been perfect ....

But a have try to by everything from this company, 1pc place instead of many other place in Kina, sometime it have been wrong stuff from other company in kina but they have always seend a new part free immediately, and with NO discussions and pure crap talk as it has been all the time from this person, so this was my last order from this company!


Quality is far too low and they have no honor to do the right thing, which we all others have..

I have been a successful entrepreneur for over 30 years so this is not about money for me, but the principle ...

I have a very” interesting” email exchange with this person that owns this company and I can only say that I am suffering with those who are “distributors” for him, they can not have it easy ....

If the "dealers for this company" want to have copies of all emails between me and the owner of this company, please email me your email address ... ,I would like to share with you all these emails to you both becouse this person is not healthy ...

Sorry that my English issnt better, a hope that you all can read and understand what a try to say....

Cheers

[aj2456]

made sense enough to me, i will be carefully considering before i place an order with them now,

in a hobby like this word of mouth is worth alot, nuff said

[rad14701]

I can virtually guarantee the the owner of the company is a former member of these forums... Former for good reason... We've had more than a few few people join only to end up wanting to profit from the membership and then either going into business, starting their own hobby related sites, or both... This is not the first, nor will it be the last, complaint about one of these individuals - unfortunately...

[harley03]

Update:

Little copper candy...

1st 12, "" whiskey "column entirely in copper with 3 distillation plates with a large number of small cups bubble caps fitted through these large 4" sight glasses. More photos on this 12 "whiskey column comes as it becomes ready, it must also be installed CIP head over each plate and evacuation / drainage via drainage pipes ...




12 "reflux condenser is ready and standing by 2x 8" reflux condenser and my long 8” produktcooler all these 3 pc refluxcooler with 2 "side exit to build the smallest possible height and then it is much better looking too .... Better looking piping draving also ...




Cheers

[harley03]

Since I am legal commercial producer of spirits and lets build my own equipment entirely in copper locally here in Falköping so I decided to post my update with some pictures in this thread and would not it be okay, move or delete it, no problem with me.

Cheers

[Prairiepiss]

How about an actual update to what the thread was about? Has anything been done to correct the problem?

[jarheadshiner]

How about an actual update to what the thread was about? Has anything been done to correct the problem?

Yeah really? I hate these bashing threads with a passion BTW. I personally have had nothing but great service from the North American vendor and quality products. Thank you Larry.

[harley03]

How about an actual update to what the thread was about? Has anything been done to correct the problem?

Hi PP,
Hope that everyting is okey with you!

Here is my answere to yours question!

The owner of this company “has paid back” the $ 300 that he demanded of me, if he would send useful new long 8 " ferrules to me and that a have pay also..... to get an end of this... Normally long 8” ferules have arrived from the owner of this company, but after a have pay this to him..... and for some days ago he/ the owner send me 300dollar back in return.

Probably I can thank the United States representative of this company for that the owner send back my 300 dollars and if he note have done this, the Usa representative wrote to me that he shall pay back this 300dollar from his own pocket to me!
So you in the usa shall be very happy that you have a honest and honorable salesman in yours country ! That,s for sure...


But the fact remains, their long ferrules are welded on short ferrules according to the owner of this company for it's cheapest to do so ....


This is note about the 300dollar! and the extra 100dollar that a must pay in toll/ to goverment....

It is about honor and common sense that the owner of this company is short of!

Do you sell something that is so extremely bad and totally unusable, yes they are rely bad crap... then they shall replace it as soon as possible without any crap talk, that is common sense for all normally people and salesmen....and off course you shall have what you have order and pay for in the first place....

No question about that in my world...

Cheers

[Tater]

Yep crap is crap that's a fact.Damn shame that it took such measures to get a fair deal. It nothing new here or on other forums.Its also why still dragon will never be allowed on HD.

[harley03]

2 " 54mm single bubbelcaps to a 4pc plate legal test unit for Whisky!

A Swedish 4 " copper tube is 104mm internally and these 2 " single bubbelcap has a low serrated milled pattern with 24pc a 5x5x7mm corresponding almost exactly 5% of the inner column diameter of this 4" pipe .

I'm thinking of making a small test facility with a 4 " copper column and a50liter mash vessel for whiskey with 4plate of these and I have made 12pc so a number will be over for now.

Well I think / believe that plates with these single bubbelcaps corresponds to plates with 5 small bubbelcaps in 4” is much better in Taste transfer ... yeas am hunting maximun taste transfer…

Now I will try to explain how I think ...
Here I have 5% of the column diameter in these 24pc coarse triangular steam output and this means I will get a much, much faster speed in the steam / flow in/thru the reflux licuid on the plate than what I get with 5pc small bubbelcaps which has about 16pcs small slots of steam on every bubbelcaps x5pc bubbelcaps .... are you with me, this a think and hope shall transfer much More Taste with this big singel bubbel caps and with this low pattern then the foreshot shall go away very fast becouse all bubbels shall always tuch/reach the bottom of the plate…

One can say that this is a greatly scaled down version of Kothes "aroma " single bubble caps plate.

Now I have already 2pc 4" flute in copper "of course" so a can test it side by side so I just need to build the column to test this ....



Cheers

[jarheadshiner]

what size boiler you got running on that big rig Harley?

[emptyglass]

I'm confused.
First this thread started with a complaint, but now its morphing into a build thread in the off topic section?

You've been posting long enough to know English and where posts belong. Could you please separate the build from the other issue? I'd like to ask you how you are going to assemble those bubble caps through the sightglasses and why you think bubble caps pass more flavor, but this is off topic, not still building.

Don't leave it up to the mods, they are busy enough.

[harley03]

what size boiler you got running on that big rig Harley?

An old insulated milktank and a think that a can fill it with about 600 liter but a shall have about 500liter becouse a mash about 1000liter in 2pc allso old milktanks and then a can split this in to 500liters baches.

I have 6pc 5500watts element in the back "off course" in this old milktank so you dont have any chance to get them wet from the mainhole/door.... this is wery important here inside EU...




Cheers

[harley03]

I'm confused.
First this thread started with a complaint, but now its morphing into a build thread in the off topic section?

You've been posting long enough to know English and where posts belong. Could you please separate the build from the other issue? I'd like to ask you how you are going to assemble those bubble caps through the sightglasses and why you think bubble caps pass more flavor, but this is off topic, not still building.

Don't leave it up to the mods, they are busy enough.

yes, you have right, so this is my last post on this tread and a shall start a new one later.

I have 4" sightglass so 50mm caps is no problem to get trhou there... but when am building a 8"/200mm gigant bubbelcaps then a make 1pc plate finnish then a make next finnish, so a mounting everything from one end of this 12"/30cm big pipe in order.. no problem when you hard solder it....

Bubbelcaps dont pass more flavor/steam, that depend on the hole % of the column diameter and the height of reflux licuid on the plate, but "maybe" Bubble caps separating fractions better, maybe.....


I read that some of you have problem to cool down the cooling water to yours plants…
This is how it looks in my garden after only 2 days of snowing… so it is easy to drag out the cooling pipe in the snow and then it,s relly cold when it come back….

And this is outside of my bränneri/distillery.


Cheers from a cold and snowing Sweden... last post in this tread from me anyway...